1 00:00:11,330 --> 00:00:16,335 Hello, Mr. Washington, low, Mississippi. 2 00:00:16,335 --> 00:00:19,425 Today, I'm doing great. 3 00:00:19,425 --> 00:00:21,599 So I just want to introduce myself 4 00:00:21,599 --> 00:00:23,610 and you two are audience. 5 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:27,105 So my name is Cynthia Gomez. 6 00:00:27,105 --> 00:00:28,769 I'm the executive director of 7 00:00:28,769 --> 00:00:29,999 the cultural resource centers 8 00:00:29,999 --> 00:00:31,410 at Portland State University, 9 00:00:31,410 --> 00:00:33,989 where I'm also a Masters of Fine Arts 10 00:00:33,989 --> 00:00:36,510 candidate in creative nonfiction. 11 00:00:36,510 --> 00:00:39,209 And I'm also proud and resilient member 12 00:00:39,209 --> 00:00:41,199 of class 20-20. 13 00:00:41,199 --> 00:00:43,760 I am with my colleague here and good friend, 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,995 Mr. Edward James Washington. 15 00:00:45,995 --> 00:00:49,739 Mr. Washington was born on February 26th, 16 00:00:49,739 --> 00:00:52,609 1937 in Birmingham, Alabama. 17 00:00:52,609 --> 00:00:54,859 In 1944, the Washington's 18 00:00:54,859 --> 00:00:56,629 moved to Van Port, Oregon. 19 00:00:56,629 --> 00:00:58,640 Portland metro area city 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,249 comprised of wartime public housing. 21 00:01:01,249 --> 00:01:03,799 Mr. Washington, like so many others, 22 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:06,199 lost their home and many, 23 00:01:06,199 --> 00:01:07,280 and almost all of their 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,570 possessions when vamp where 25 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:11,189 it was destroyed in the flood on May 30th, 26 00:01:11,189 --> 00:01:15,260 1948, Mr. Washington's mother and father 27 00:01:15,260 --> 00:01:16,969 separated after World War 28 00:01:16,969 --> 00:01:18,110 Two and his mother was 29 00:01:18,110 --> 00:01:21,289 left raising six children, all by herself. 30 00:01:21,289 --> 00:01:22,820 She was determined that none of 31 00:01:22,820 --> 00:01:24,605 her children quit high school. 32 00:01:24,605 --> 00:01:26,839 In 19571 year after 33 00:01:26,839 --> 00:01:28,339 graduating from Grant High School, 34 00:01:28,339 --> 00:01:29,899 Mr. Washington begin taking 35 00:01:29,899 --> 00:01:32,149 night classes at Portland State College, 36 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:33,455 what today is known 37 00:01:33,455 --> 00:01:35,539 as Portland State University. 38 00:01:35,539 --> 00:01:36,770 He earned a degree in 39 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:38,060 liberal studies and was the 40 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:40,954 first in his family to graduate from college. 41 00:01:40,954 --> 00:01:43,550 At Washington was a civil rights leader and 42 00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:47,479 a member of the Portland N double ACP. 43 00:01:47,479 --> 00:01:49,159 In 1991, he became 44 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:51,275 the first African-American counselor 45 00:01:51,275 --> 00:01:53,570 or the Portland metro council. 46 00:01:53,570 --> 00:01:55,729 And since 1993, Mr. 47 00:01:55,729 --> 00:01:57,710 Washington has been a vital part of 48 00:01:57,710 --> 00:01:59,570 the PSU community and 49 00:01:59,570 --> 00:02:01,355 today serves as the director of 50 00:02:01,355 --> 00:02:04,669 community outreach in global diversity 51 00:02:04,669 --> 00:02:07,444 in global diversity and inclusion. 52 00:02:07,444 --> 00:02:08,420 Thank you so much 53 00:02:08,420 --> 00:02:09,829 for agreeing to this interview. 54 00:02:09,829 --> 00:02:11,570 Mr. Washington, Welcome to 55 00:02:11,570 --> 00:02:13,459 this time we have together today. 56 00:02:13,459 --> 00:02:16,054 I'm honored for this opportunity to NLP you. 57 00:02:16,054 --> 00:02:18,089 How are you today? 58 00:02:21,130 --> 00:02:25,050 I think Mr. Washington, you're on mute. 59 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,050 May look up. Sorry about that. 60 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:32,210 Math okay. More to you. 61 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:36,140 I'm doing fine. Just learning 62 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:37,864 how to work from home. 63 00:02:37,864 --> 00:02:40,969 At least as it relates to the school. 64 00:02:40,969 --> 00:02:45,934 The opportunity to get in my emails and 65 00:02:45,934 --> 00:02:48,214 get caught up with a whole lot of stuff 66 00:02:48,214 --> 00:02:51,230 and just get things organized. 67 00:02:51,230 --> 00:02:53,554 So that part is good. 68 00:02:53,554 --> 00:02:55,804 The reason for it is, 69 00:02:55,804 --> 00:03:01,580 is not that it's it's a very I'm sure, 70 00:03:01,580 --> 00:03:04,069 scary time for a lot of people. 71 00:03:04,069 --> 00:03:07,009 I'm not certain that I'm afraid, 72 00:03:07,009 --> 00:03:09,020 but it's just such an 73 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:11,989 unbelievable thing that's one-on-one. 74 00:03:11,989 --> 00:03:15,905 And it reminds me a little bit, 75 00:03:15,905 --> 00:03:18,080 not just to remind you a little bit, 76 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,270 it reminds me a lot about 77 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:23,579 conversations that I had with my mother. 78 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,649 My mother was born in 1911, 79 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:31,190 and so she was about 878 years of 80 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:36,050 age when the first pandemic hit back in 1918. 81 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:38,419 And she does all of the details, 82 00:03:38,419 --> 00:03:40,684 but she remembered it enough 83 00:03:40,684 --> 00:03:43,970 because her parents shared with him 84 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:47,299 and she said it was just a scary time 85 00:03:47,299 --> 00:03:50,689 for even a 78 year old child. 86 00:03:50,689 --> 00:03:52,130 So here I am 87 00:03:52,130 --> 00:03:54,140 a couple of days older than seven or eight. 88 00:03:54,140 --> 00:03:55,790 And, and it's, it's it's 89 00:03:55,790 --> 00:03:58,594 frightening because it's disruptive. 90 00:03:58,594 --> 00:04:01,699 It's something we don't know about. 91 00:04:01,699 --> 00:04:03,529 Music when something happens, 92 00:04:03,529 --> 00:04:06,589 you know, they're things 93 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:08,195 that helped take care of them. 94 00:04:08,195 --> 00:04:09,829 But I also have to remember 95 00:04:09,829 --> 00:04:11,119 even in my own life 96 00:04:11,119 --> 00:04:15,919 that growing up in the forties and fifties. 97 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:18,694 And remembering every summer when 98 00:04:18,694 --> 00:04:23,165 polio was very rampant and there was, 99 00:04:23,165 --> 00:04:25,730 they had not found a cure for it. 100 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:28,430 And how we would always be warned 101 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:30,499 every summer to be 102 00:04:30,499 --> 00:04:31,850 careful that the swimming pools, 103 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:33,619 because they thought for sure that 104 00:04:33,619 --> 00:04:35,990 that was a source of the poliovirus. 105 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:38,419 So you know, each generation seems to have 106 00:04:38,419 --> 00:04:41,944 something that frightens them, 107 00:04:41,944 --> 00:04:43,474 but somehow know that you 108 00:04:43,474 --> 00:04:45,065 managed to make it through it. 109 00:04:45,065 --> 00:04:47,914 And so to that end, 110 00:04:47,914 --> 00:04:51,004 I'm just working hard to make it through. 111 00:04:51,004 --> 00:04:55,655 Yeah. Yeah. So I'm glad you brought up 112 00:04:55,655 --> 00:05:01,699 the the 1918 flu pandemic 113 00:05:01,699 --> 00:05:04,550 is a Spanish flu in, 114 00:05:04,550 --> 00:05:07,460 or it was called Luxury by a spine Yona. 115 00:05:07,460 --> 00:05:13,685 And it landed on the heels of World War two. 116 00:05:13,685 --> 00:05:15,170 And it was during the Jim Crow 117 00:05:15,170 --> 00:05:17,179 area or the pandemic 118 00:05:17,179 --> 00:05:21,275 lasted from January 1918 to December 1920. 119 00:05:21,275 --> 00:05:24,409 It infected 500 million people, 120 00:05:24,409 --> 00:05:26,779 about a quarter of the world's population at 121 00:05:26,779 --> 00:05:30,215 the time. A lot of that. 122 00:05:30,215 --> 00:05:33,230 It was one of the deadliest in human history, 123 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:35,059 but it was caused mainly 124 00:05:35,059 --> 00:05:37,610 because of non now malnourishment, 125 00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:39,349 overcrowded medical camps and 126 00:05:39,349 --> 00:05:41,705 hospitals and poor hygiene. 127 00:05:41,705 --> 00:05:44,510 And it's so interesting to hear that 128 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:46,820 your mother lived through that pandemic and, 129 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:47,420 and of course, 130 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:49,099 faced countless other challenges. 131 00:05:49,099 --> 00:05:51,229 She must have been an incredible person. 132 00:05:51,229 --> 00:05:54,305 What do you remember most about her? 133 00:05:54,305 --> 00:05:58,850 Well, my mom was a very, 134 00:05:58,850 --> 00:06:03,009 very strong lady and and 135 00:06:03,009 --> 00:06:07,924 she was also very, very capable person. 136 00:06:07,924 --> 00:06:10,639 And she loved school. 137 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:12,649 Then she loved writing. 138 00:06:12,649 --> 00:06:15,349 And she always told me that she'd 139 00:06:15,349 --> 00:06:19,624 love to say big words. 140 00:06:19,624 --> 00:06:22,459 And and it's so funny, 141 00:06:22,459 --> 00:06:24,994 my mom, she was taught. 142 00:06:24,994 --> 00:06:25,730 This is one of 143 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:26,719 the things I remember about it. 144 00:06:26,719 --> 00:06:28,879 It's a little funny, but I love it. 145 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:31,714 But she said that when she was a little girl, 146 00:06:31,714 --> 00:06:34,070 there was a friend of her parents. 147 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:35,899 Who was a school teacher. 148 00:06:35,899 --> 00:06:38,240 And so in the summer, 149 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,630 this friend would spend time with my mom. 150 00:06:41,630 --> 00:06:44,479 You know, she would just sorta took her 151 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:47,555 under her wings and would 152 00:06:47,555 --> 00:06:50,840 teach English to her and help her to be 153 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:52,280 a better reader and 154 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:54,380 better spell and how 155 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:55,909 to write and express myself. 156 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:57,994 So back in those days, 157 00:06:57,994 --> 00:06:59,599 there were some members 158 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:00,679 in my mother's family. 159 00:07:00,679 --> 00:07:03,155 I think there was some aren't tease. 160 00:07:03,155 --> 00:07:06,260 That live then Montgomery, Alabama. 161 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:10,534 My family my mom lived in Birmingham. 162 00:07:10,534 --> 00:07:12,740 So Mother dear said that that's what we 163 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:13,849 call thats what we call 164 00:07:13,849 --> 00:07:14,990 my mom. We call them other dir. 165 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:17,089 So I i It's 166 00:07:17,089 --> 00:07:18,769 very hard for me not to call her mother, 167 00:07:18,769 --> 00:07:20,360 dear, and I would never not want 168 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,260 to call her that 169 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:22,579 because that's how I remember. 170 00:07:22,579 --> 00:07:24,889 My mother said that one 171 00:07:24,889 --> 00:07:27,319 summer the friend invited her to go 172 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:29,629 on a train trip to Montgomery and my mother 173 00:07:29,629 --> 00:07:32,150 said that she was so excited about that. 174 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:34,820 And when she got to Montgomery and they're 175 00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:35,839 putting in to 176 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:37,760 the little train station in Montgomery, 177 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,120 Alabama. 178 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,265 And my mother said that she 179 00:07:40,265 --> 00:07:43,339 started pronouncing the name Montgomery, 180 00:07:43,339 --> 00:07:46,670 but my mother had been taught phonetically. 181 00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:48,080 So she wanted to 182 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,060 impress that teacher friend 183 00:07:50,060 --> 00:07:51,469 and shows she told her, 184 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:53,494 she says, I'm so happy 185 00:07:53,494 --> 00:07:56,524 for the train to be pulling into Mount. 186 00:07:56,524 --> 00:07:59,460 Go, marry me. 187 00:07:59,860 --> 00:08:02,284 Then Melodia is there that 188 00:08:02,284 --> 00:08:04,940 the lady was so very nice to her. 189 00:08:04,940 --> 00:08:06,469 Afterwards. All said and done. 190 00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:07,524 She said to her theurgy, 191 00:08:07,524 --> 00:08:09,589 I just want to help you. 192 00:08:09,589 --> 00:08:12,079 That's really pronounce month, 193 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:15,049 Gomory, and my mother. 194 00:08:15,049 --> 00:08:16,864 And that's just something that 195 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,834 stuck with me because 196 00:08:19,834 --> 00:08:22,430 she really cared about doing 197 00:08:22,430 --> 00:08:23,479 well in school and she 198 00:08:23,479 --> 00:08:24,949 did very well in school. 199 00:08:24,949 --> 00:08:27,409 And so that's one of the things, 200 00:08:27,409 --> 00:08:31,010 but there are lots of things, but three, 201 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:32,960 we have only a little bit of 202 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,315 time and I could tell you 203 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:37,340 hours of things about 204 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:41,060 myself and what she meant to our family. 205 00:08:41,060 --> 00:08:44,899 We were quite impressed you most about 206 00:08:44,899 --> 00:08:49,549 her her resiliency. You know. 207 00:08:49,549 --> 00:08:51,800 My mom and dad 208 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,985 separated when I was about nine. 209 00:08:55,985 --> 00:09:00,529 And my mom came from a family that 210 00:09:00,529 --> 00:09:02,449 was really use an expression that we 211 00:09:02,449 --> 00:09:03,589 use today should come 212 00:09:03,589 --> 00:09:04,910 from a very tight family. 213 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:07,220 I mean, family was very important to 214 00:09:07,220 --> 00:09:10,129 her and so it was to my dad, 215 00:09:10,129 --> 00:09:12,365 but in a different kind of way. 216 00:09:12,365 --> 00:09:17,914 And so my mom and dad plans 217 00:09:17,914 --> 00:09:20,420 were to come out to Oregon to work in 218 00:09:20,420 --> 00:09:22,070 the shipyards because we 219 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:23,900 had a home in Birmingham. 220 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:25,969 And then they were supposed to go back to 221 00:09:25,969 --> 00:09:28,369 Birmingham where with the money 222 00:09:28,369 --> 00:09:30,035 that they earn here, 223 00:09:30,035 --> 00:09:32,840 they would go back and fix the house 224 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,465 up at bedrooms to the house, et cetera. 225 00:09:35,465 --> 00:09:37,849 So I'm not supposed to be in Portland. 226 00:09:37,849 --> 00:09:40,625 I'm really supposed to have gone back that 227 00:09:40,625 --> 00:09:43,400 my dad decided that 228 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,320 he didn't want to go back to Birmingham. 229 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,240 So he went south 230 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,310 to LA looking for new opportunities 231 00:09:49,310 --> 00:09:51,470 and and it was that trip south 232 00:09:51,470 --> 00:09:52,564 that really just sort of 233 00:09:52,564 --> 00:09:54,349 ended their marriage. 234 00:09:54,349 --> 00:09:57,125 But because my mom said that, you know. 235 00:09:57,125 --> 00:10:00,095 They had made a commitment to go back in. 236 00:10:00,095 --> 00:10:03,229 And so she said we should do that. 237 00:10:03,229 --> 00:10:04,714 And so my mom, 238 00:10:04,714 --> 00:10:06,289 rather than go back to Birmingham because 239 00:10:06,289 --> 00:10:08,420 SHE came from a very tight family. 240 00:10:08,420 --> 00:10:12,619 And so I have a feeling that 241 00:10:12,619 --> 00:10:16,429 Mother dear stayed here 242 00:10:16,429 --> 00:10:19,310 and raise their kids by herself. 243 00:10:19,310 --> 00:10:23,089 And I just have a feeling that maybe that 244 00:10:23,089 --> 00:10:24,799 might have been just a little too 245 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:26,720 tough for her to go back home, 246 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,220 not from her parents, 247 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:30,409 but just how she 248 00:10:30,409 --> 00:10:32,960 felt about accomplishing things. 249 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,344 And so I just look, 250 00:10:35,344 --> 00:10:39,350 remember her when, you know, 251 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:42,874 raising us and and it was tough. 252 00:10:42,874 --> 00:10:44,674 It was very tough, you know, 253 00:10:44,674 --> 00:10:46,400 she had a job but 254 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,485 it did not carry a lot of money. 255 00:10:48,485 --> 00:10:50,810 And that was back in the forties here. 256 00:10:50,810 --> 00:10:56,195 And so I just remember those days. 257 00:10:56,195 --> 00:11:00,124 And when I was 12 years of age, 258 00:11:00,124 --> 00:11:03,160 I started working and and I 259 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,030 felt an obligation not 260 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:07,369 because my mom asked me to work, 261 00:11:07,369 --> 00:11:09,770 but I just felt an obligation 262 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:12,920 to help provide for the family. 263 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,825 The saying, well, she lives. 264 00:11:14,825 --> 00:11:17,540 And so I had a small job 265 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:21,529 and I had a job it voice kinda headquarters. 266 00:11:21,529 --> 00:11:23,539 I made $10 every two 267 00:11:23,539 --> 00:11:26,255 weeks. So there's a lot of money. 268 00:11:26,255 --> 00:11:28,010 But I would always bring 269 00:11:28,010 --> 00:11:30,620 my money home and tell 270 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:32,839 my mother dear to 271 00:11:32,839 --> 00:11:35,989 use it for what you need it in. 272 00:11:35,989 --> 00:11:37,820 Give me this lamb. 273 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:42,670 And it's just that sense of, 274 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:45,410 of giving and that sense of helping. 275 00:11:45,410 --> 00:11:47,299 But but more than anything else, 276 00:11:47,299 --> 00:11:50,180 it was a sense of comfort and 277 00:11:50,180 --> 00:11:53,944 care that my mother had for not only me, 278 00:11:53,944 --> 00:11:55,549 but for my four brothers 279 00:11:55,549 --> 00:11:58,340 and my sister, so six others. 280 00:11:58,340 --> 00:12:01,159 So that's I just remember those days. 281 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:03,995 I remember and those were tough days. 282 00:12:03,995 --> 00:12:06,815 And I can remember 283 00:12:06,815 --> 00:12:11,689 going to events and not having my dad there, 284 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:14,034 you know, to, you know, 285 00:12:14,034 --> 00:12:16,340 like father and son 286 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:18,439 nights for things like 287 00:12:18,439 --> 00:12:21,769 the YMCA or boy scouts. 288 00:12:21,769 --> 00:12:25,565 And so I just remember 289 00:12:25,565 --> 00:12:27,574 how when I would 290 00:12:27,574 --> 00:12:29,960 share that information with her, 291 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,960 she would pick me up not physically, 292 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,715 but she would pick me up 293 00:12:34,715 --> 00:12:37,219 with love and with their care. 294 00:12:37,219 --> 00:12:39,710 Would always tell me that, you know, 295 00:12:39,710 --> 00:12:42,709 there will be better time. 296 00:12:42,709 --> 00:12:45,170 It may be a little tough around 297 00:12:45,170 --> 00:12:47,139 the edges now, but you know, 298 00:12:47,139 --> 00:12:50,094 just keep on, keeping on, 299 00:12:50,094 --> 00:12:53,454 keep faith and then we'll get through it. 300 00:12:53,454 --> 00:12:55,239 And so that's what I think 301 00:12:55,239 --> 00:12:57,835 she what she and steal. 302 00:12:57,835 --> 00:13:01,030 The ability to fight. 303 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:02,500 Your ability to well, 304 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:04,555 I don't mean fisticuffs fight. 305 00:13:04,555 --> 00:13:06,580 But really just to stand 306 00:13:06,580 --> 00:13:11,500 up and just be strong. 307 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:14,810 And that's what I remember about my mom. 308 00:13:16,410 --> 00:13:18,639 Said, what was it like 309 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,030 working working back in 310 00:13:22,030 --> 00:13:23,500 those days as a young person 311 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:25,340 out in the world. 312 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,440 That's very interesting. 313 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,175 The question that you asked, 314 00:13:31,175 --> 00:13:32,659 you know, What was it like 315 00:13:32,659 --> 00:13:34,549 working when I was 12 years of age, 316 00:13:34,549 --> 00:13:37,565 I work at Boy Scout headquarters. 317 00:13:37,565 --> 00:13:40,924 And boy scout Headquarters at that time, 318 00:13:40,924 --> 00:13:43,669 nobody located down on the corner of 319 00:13:43,669 --> 00:13:46,400 Southwest fifth and Sam and 320 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,484 right across the street from 321 00:13:48,484 --> 00:13:51,065 the courthouse and right next to 322 00:13:51,065 --> 00:13:53,479 where I think it's I think it's a bit of 323 00:13:53,479 --> 00:13:54,739 that bank was not 324 00:13:54,739 --> 00:13:57,815 First National Bank of America, one of those. 325 00:13:57,815 --> 00:14:01,189 And there was a gentleman who was 326 00:14:01,189 --> 00:14:02,585 a chief scout executive 327 00:14:02,585 --> 00:14:03,874 hearing Paul and his name 328 00:14:03,874 --> 00:14:06,980 was George Hermann Oberth tougher. 329 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,859 And Mr. O, we call him Mr. O. 330 00:14:09,859 --> 00:14:12,770 B. Short. When my oldest brother 331 00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:17,329 join the Boy Scouts in 1945, I think 4445. 332 00:14:17,329 --> 00:14:19,069 When we first moved here, he 333 00:14:19,069 --> 00:14:20,960 was afraid to swim. 334 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,639 He didn't know how to swim. 335 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:27,770 And so Mr. OB took my brother under his wings 336 00:14:27,770 --> 00:14:31,280 and made sure that he 337 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,250 got every benefit that 338 00:14:34,250 --> 00:14:36,079 the Boy Scout camp had to offer. 339 00:14:36,079 --> 00:14:39,304 And my brother became an excellent swimmer. 340 00:14:39,304 --> 00:14:42,484 And so much so that, you know, 341 00:14:42,484 --> 00:14:46,880 by the time he was 18, he was lifeguard, 342 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,290 can't marry whether he 343 00:14:48,290 --> 00:14:51,119 worked on I call it the waterfront, 344 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:55,264 supervising other younger scaffold 345 00:14:55,264 --> 00:14:57,049 to learning swam. 346 00:14:57,049 --> 00:15:01,039 And so I just 347 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:03,500 felt that when I went 348 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:06,049 to work and then my brother used to work, 349 00:15:06,049 --> 00:15:07,189 it's got headquarters in when he 350 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:08,900 left and I was old enough to go. 351 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:10,999 When I turned 12, I 352 00:15:10,999 --> 00:15:12,530 had the opportunity to to work and 353 00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:16,474 I think that what what that was like for me. 354 00:15:16,474 --> 00:15:19,475 I look back on it back then. 355 00:15:19,475 --> 00:15:22,309 For me, everything is exciting. 356 00:15:22,309 --> 00:15:24,214 It at 12 years of age, 357 00:15:24,214 --> 00:15:26,839 being downtown, you know, 358 00:15:26,839 --> 00:15:29,299 taken a bus downtown by myself or 359 00:15:29,299 --> 00:15:32,030 walking across the broadway bridge to work, 360 00:15:32,030 --> 00:15:35,765 you know, knowing my way around town. 361 00:15:35,765 --> 00:15:39,139 But, you know, there were 362 00:15:39,139 --> 00:15:41,119 things about downtown Portland 363 00:15:41,119 --> 00:15:42,695 that I did not know about. 364 00:15:42,695 --> 00:15:46,370 I did not know that there were places where 365 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:48,814 African-Americans were not supposed 366 00:15:48,814 --> 00:15:50,945 to go. I didn't know that. 367 00:15:50,945 --> 00:15:53,854 I knew about that from Birmingham. 368 00:15:53,854 --> 00:15:56,840 But there was a hope tail down on 369 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,525 sixth and main cold it was. 370 00:16:02,525 --> 00:16:04,925 And the Congress hotel 371 00:16:04,925 --> 00:16:06,380 was one of those hotels 372 00:16:06,380 --> 00:16:07,760 that I found out years 373 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,544 later that African Americans, 374 00:16:09,544 --> 00:16:11,689 they wouldn't serve African-Americans. 375 00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:13,999 And I remember Mr. O. 376 00:16:13,999 --> 00:16:16,894 Will be Secretary, Mrs. Kay burns, 377 00:16:16,894 --> 00:16:19,804 Miss Kay Byrne. She would come to me. 378 00:16:19,804 --> 00:16:21,290 Sometimes she would say, edward, 379 00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:24,350 I'm going to go have coffee at the Congress. 380 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:27,679 Why don't you come join me not to hit. 381 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:31,850 And so I would go down and I look back on it. 382 00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:36,680 I can look at at the ICC. 383 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,700 But nobody ever said anything to me. 384 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:42,229 And they would never have 385 00:16:42,229 --> 00:16:44,000 said anything to me. 386 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,904 Me being there with Mr. OB or caber, 387 00:16:48,904 --> 00:16:51,065 that was Miss Kay Burns. 388 00:16:51,065 --> 00:16:52,879 And I remember the heat when 389 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,180 hopeful tale had same kinds of rules and I 390 00:16:56,180 --> 00:16:57,560 remember that a lot 391 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,284 of times and was told he would have 392 00:16:59,284 --> 00:17:01,190 a meeting of the scour 393 00:17:01,190 --> 00:17:03,365 staff at the heath men. 394 00:17:03,365 --> 00:17:05,570 And he would call the office like 395 00:17:05,570 --> 00:17:07,999 about a quarter to 12 and asked 396 00:17:07,999 --> 00:17:10,460 his secretary to have me bring up 397 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:11,990 some important papers for 398 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:15,005 the meeting when I would do that. 399 00:17:15,005 --> 00:17:16,370 And then when I got there, 400 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:18,395 he would say have you add launched yet? 401 00:17:18,395 --> 00:17:20,720 Well, you know, at age 12 You never have 402 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,979 enough lunch and S is not 403 00:17:21,979 --> 00:17:23,524 yet is what gum joy to. 404 00:17:23,524 --> 00:17:26,640 Well, I found out years later. 405 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,440 What's puts a bigger there either. 406 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,085 But nobody ever said anything to me. 407 00:17:33,085 --> 00:17:36,009 You know, and and I 408 00:17:36,009 --> 00:17:39,084 think that they weren't using me. 409 00:17:39,084 --> 00:17:41,529 They were including me. 410 00:17:41,529 --> 00:17:43,870 And I'm sure that if anybody had 411 00:17:43,870 --> 00:17:45,985 ever said anything to them, 412 00:17:45,985 --> 00:17:47,049 they probably would have 413 00:17:47,049 --> 00:17:47,979 said, well, you know, 414 00:17:47,979 --> 00:17:50,905 we'll just take our business somewhere else. 415 00:17:50,905 --> 00:17:54,864 And so I look back on those things 416 00:17:54,864 --> 00:17:58,884 and I think that I'm talking a lot. 417 00:17:58,884 --> 00:18:00,429 But those are the kinds of 418 00:18:00,429 --> 00:18:02,454 things that's helped 419 00:18:02,454 --> 00:18:06,565 me be who I am. 420 00:18:06,565 --> 00:18:10,275 And many cases where I am today. 421 00:18:10,275 --> 00:18:15,109 I knew about all the rules 422 00:18:15,109 --> 00:18:16,895 with regards to how 423 00:18:16,895 --> 00:18:19,280 African Americans retreat. 424 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,534 I mean, I've heard it all. 425 00:18:22,534 --> 00:18:25,490 We've experienced a lot of it. 426 00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:27,590 But for some reason, 427 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:30,859 I, I'm not foolish. 428 00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:36,544 And that somehow or another, it just really, 429 00:18:36,544 --> 00:18:40,805 really made a man out of me to have 430 00:18:40,805 --> 00:18:44,390 parents and friends like 431 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:47,390 the obese who lifted me up. 432 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:49,970 And I remember one family story 433 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:53,120 about you asked me what was it like? 434 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,745 I remember Miss though they 435 00:18:55,745 --> 00:18:59,135 said to me he said Edward, 436 00:18:59,135 --> 00:19:01,715 he probably call me eddies is Eddie. 437 00:19:01,715 --> 00:19:03,889 I know that things are 438 00:19:03,889 --> 00:19:06,739 not what they ought to be for you. 439 00:19:06,739 --> 00:19:10,859 Piece it, but things are getting better. 440 00:19:10,859 --> 00:19:13,130 Things are always getting better for 441 00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:16,024 all of us in one way or another. 442 00:19:16,024 --> 00:19:18,559 And he always encouraged me. 443 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,599 He says, You boys, 444 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:22,399 meaning all of the Washington boys, 445 00:19:22,399 --> 00:19:24,259 that there was four of us and you knew all of 446 00:19:24,259 --> 00:19:26,870 us and my sister pieces. 447 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:29,540 You stay in school, 448 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:31,159 work hard, and go to 449 00:19:31,159 --> 00:19:33,755 college and get your education. 450 00:19:33,755 --> 00:19:35,659 And then he said, well, 451 00:19:35,659 --> 00:19:37,954 because back when I was growing up, 452 00:19:37,954 --> 00:19:40,789 one of the places where African American man 453 00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:43,625 could work was at the railroad station as, 454 00:19:43,625 --> 00:19:47,789 as read Cat's push in people's Bay. 455 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:52,055 And I remember Mr. obey sad. 456 00:19:52,055 --> 00:19:54,124 He says, you know, 457 00:19:54,124 --> 00:19:57,709 I just want you to prepare yourself. 458 00:19:57,709 --> 00:20:00,890 He said because I want you to be 459 00:20:00,890 --> 00:20:04,519 able to do things better in the end, 460 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:08,150 cushion somebody's band. I never forgot. 461 00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:11,519 We need an remind me every day. 462 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:13,789 But just the fact that he 463 00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:16,325 reminded me that always. 464 00:20:16,325 --> 00:20:20,180 Help rule to look out beyond where I 465 00:20:20,180 --> 00:20:23,419 was sorry and talk 466 00:20:23,419 --> 00:20:26,959 them off while you are being interviewed. 467 00:20:26,959 --> 00:20:29,430 So it's actually kinda perfect. 468 00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:33,080 Mr. Washington, you're the first person in 469 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,574 your family to graduate from college. 470 00:20:36,574 --> 00:20:37,999 But what was that like? 471 00:20:37,999 --> 00:20:38,990 Was that a lot of pressure? 472 00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:40,130 You were the oldest, 473 00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:41,705 is that correct or no? 474 00:20:41,705 --> 00:20:46,290 I always see one. 475 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:53,030 Ooh. Ooh. That was about the six child down. 476 00:20:53,030 --> 00:20:57,230 My total of my mother 477 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:59,810 had a total of eight children. 478 00:20:59,810 --> 00:21:03,904 So I think I was about number I guess, 479 00:21:03,904 --> 00:21:05,644 fourth from the bottom. 480 00:21:05,644 --> 00:21:06,830 They have two younger brothers, 481 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:08,044 0 third from the bottom. 482 00:21:08,044 --> 00:21:12,439 So yes, no, in terms of pressure on me, 483 00:21:12,439 --> 00:21:14,780 my mom, you know, 484 00:21:14,780 --> 00:21:18,050 the big pressure on on me from 485 00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:21,784 my mom was not too was to 486 00:21:21,784 --> 00:21:23,974 always finish high school 487 00:21:23,974 --> 00:21:26,449 because I think she knew 488 00:21:26,449 --> 00:21:29,210 that if things got too tough, 489 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:31,220 that we would be tempted 490 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:33,784 to go to work to help. 491 00:21:33,784 --> 00:21:35,150 And she said, You know, 492 00:21:35,150 --> 00:21:37,270 and I appreciate all your help that 493 00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:40,235 you you must finish high school. 494 00:21:40,235 --> 00:21:42,829 And so I knew 495 00:21:42,829 --> 00:21:44,539 that if I was going to go to college, 496 00:21:44,539 --> 00:21:46,309 that was on me. 497 00:21:46,309 --> 00:21:50,825 And I am the only one. 498 00:21:50,825 --> 00:21:53,209 But, you know, every one of my brothers and 499 00:21:53,209 --> 00:21:59,930 sisters who are capable of finishing college. 500 00:21:59,930 --> 00:22:03,454 It's a matter of fact, I always wanted 501 00:22:03,454 --> 00:22:06,439 to be like them, but really did. 502 00:22:06,439 --> 00:22:08,645 But, you know, once I started college, 503 00:22:08,645 --> 00:22:10,190 my brothers and sisters 504 00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:12,274 were so supportive of me. 505 00:22:12,274 --> 00:22:15,140 They always been supportive of 506 00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:17,239 me about 507 00:22:17,239 --> 00:22:20,704 everything that they've done, everything. 508 00:22:20,704 --> 00:22:21,980 And of course they're all 509 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:23,150 gone now except from 510 00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:24,859 my youngest brother was 511 00:22:24,859 --> 00:22:27,334 just myself and Clark slang. 512 00:22:27,334 --> 00:22:30,589 But yeah. So the pressure I think 513 00:22:30,589 --> 00:22:31,910 I think the pressure was 514 00:22:31,910 --> 00:22:34,589 just on me personally. 515 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:39,020 But as far as in the family, 516 00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:42,484 my mom was so pleased when I finished. 517 00:22:42,484 --> 00:22:46,325 And I always say 518 00:22:46,325 --> 00:22:47,869 every one of my brothers and 519 00:22:47,869 --> 00:22:50,930 sisters who are just as capable property. 520 00:22:50,930 --> 00:22:52,625 And in most cases, 521 00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:53,869 I would say if far 522 00:22:53,869 --> 00:22:56,614 book that I just 523 00:22:56,614 --> 00:22:58,640 happened to be in the fortunate, 524 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,949 things fail the right way 525 00:23:00,949 --> 00:23:04,895 and sort of right place at the right time. 526 00:23:04,895 --> 00:23:09,770 In many respects. Yeah. Yeah. What was 527 00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:11,480 Portland State or print 528 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,195 mistake college like back then? 529 00:23:14,195 --> 00:23:16,640 Well, you know, my trip through 530 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,309 Portland State was a fairly long trip. 531 00:23:19,309 --> 00:23:21,470 You know, I there's no way that 532 00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:23,869 I could afford to go to college. 533 00:23:23,869 --> 00:23:25,129 There was just not 534 00:23:25,129 --> 00:23:28,235 the kinds of things available. 535 00:23:28,235 --> 00:23:31,159 And so I I I went knowledge 536 00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:34,745 part-time and in worked. 537 00:23:34,745 --> 00:23:36,515 And then I got married, 538 00:23:36,515 --> 00:23:39,049 waited five years before I had true 539 00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:41,914 for young children. And still work. 540 00:23:41,914 --> 00:23:43,685 I mean, all my work 541 00:23:43,685 --> 00:23:45,109 and taking care of my family and 542 00:23:45,109 --> 00:23:49,744 my wife was the most important. 543 00:23:49,744 --> 00:23:51,589 But what Paul and say it was 544 00:23:51,589 --> 00:23:53,030 like I started taking 545 00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:58,715 night classes at Portland State in 1957. 546 00:23:58,715 --> 00:24:01,594 I think that was the first. 547 00:24:01,594 --> 00:24:03,604 And at that time, 548 00:24:03,604 --> 00:24:06,589 Portland State had there was still 1957. 549 00:24:06,589 --> 00:24:09,185 So Portland State had been downtown in 550 00:24:09,185 --> 00:24:10,700 Lincoln Hall for I think 551 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,694 about five or six years. 552 00:24:12,694 --> 00:24:14,779 They had been lincoln hall long enough that 553 00:24:14,779 --> 00:24:16,880 they were needing to expand. 554 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,749 So they had just started they had just 555 00:24:20,749 --> 00:24:24,095 completed the first quarter 556 00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:27,095 of the block where kramer Hall is. 557 00:24:27,095 --> 00:24:32,554 When I started at night school in 1957. 558 00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:35,840 And I remember talking to Dr. Leroy Pearson 559 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,160 who was he was 560 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,140 the Dean of the extension services 561 00:24:42,140 --> 00:24:43,760 for those of us who went to night school. 562 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,610 And I remember him saying to me 563 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:48,469 because when I explained to 564 00:24:48,469 --> 00:24:50,885 him how I was going to have to go to school, 565 00:24:50,885 --> 00:24:53,134 he said Edwards, he says, you know, 566 00:24:53,134 --> 00:24:56,240 he says, all you 567 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,889 need to do is just make sure 568 00:24:57,889 --> 00:24:59,914 you take two classes, 569 00:24:59,914 --> 00:25:02,299 you know, just try to get 570 00:25:02,299 --> 00:25:05,630 to classes every year or even one. 571 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:07,190 And he said it 572 00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:09,319 might take you eight or nine years. 573 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,659 And I thought, you know, at that age, 574 00:25:11,659 --> 00:25:15,425 eight or nine years seemed like an eternity. 575 00:25:15,425 --> 00:25:18,845 So I would take classes when I could. 576 00:25:18,845 --> 00:25:23,119 And I graduated in 1974. 577 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,780 So I went off and on took me 17 years. 578 00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:29,645 And but, you know, 579 00:25:29,645 --> 00:25:32,795 I'm so grateful for that 580 00:25:32,795 --> 00:25:37,369 because I learn so much along the way. 581 00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:40,819 With regards to the Kramer hall. 582 00:25:40,819 --> 00:25:44,299 Back then, the legislature would 583 00:25:44,299 --> 00:25:45,935 provide funding for 584 00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:47,959 building schools, colleges. 585 00:25:47,959 --> 00:25:50,119 And actually and it's in it's 586 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,119 it's on the records that 587 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,100 the legislature was not that 588 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:57,319 fond of the pooling extension singer 589 00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,270 when they started out in Van port 590 00:25:59,270 --> 00:26:02,164 as the van poor Extension Center. 591 00:26:02,164 --> 00:26:05,404 It was very tough for Portland State. 592 00:26:05,404 --> 00:26:08,989 And so by the time from the Flood 48 to, 593 00:26:08,989 --> 00:26:11,420 up to 1957, they 594 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:13,834 were still tough on important state. 595 00:26:13,834 --> 00:26:15,664 So they don't 596 00:26:15,664 --> 00:26:17,764 the legislature would only grant 597 00:26:17,764 --> 00:26:19,610 me enough money to be 598 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:22,385 a one-quarter of the block. 599 00:26:22,385 --> 00:26:26,419 And then at the next two years later 600 00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:28,624 at the session, they quit. 601 00:26:28,624 --> 00:26:31,879 They give amended the bill the next quarter. 602 00:26:31,879 --> 00:26:33,545 And that's how they treated 603 00:26:33,545 --> 00:26:35,689 potent state back in those days. 604 00:26:35,689 --> 00:26:39,275 And so I I 605 00:26:39,275 --> 00:26:41,089 I look back at that and I 606 00:26:41,089 --> 00:26:43,129 remember what Dr. Pearson said to me. 607 00:26:43,129 --> 00:26:46,474 He said, you know, just don't worry about 608 00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:48,560 the amount of time it's gonna take 609 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,050 you because it'll go by fast. 610 00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:54,859 Well, at 1819 years of age, 611 00:26:54,859 --> 00:26:57,964 nothing moves face, you know. 612 00:26:57,964 --> 00:27:00,439 And so, but I stuck with it. 613 00:27:00,439 --> 00:27:01,939 And there are times when I couldn't go to 614 00:27:01,939 --> 00:27:03,650 school. I was working. 615 00:27:03,650 --> 00:27:06,230 I did couldn't get 616 00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:07,279 the hours that would 617 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:08,539 allow me to go to school. 618 00:27:08,539 --> 00:27:12,020 But I eventually persevered. 619 00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:14,300 And I'm so grateful for them. 620 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,659 I'm so glad looking back, 621 00:27:17,659 --> 00:27:21,739 it was what was supposed to happen for me. 622 00:27:21,739 --> 00:27:24,469 Because I think each step of 623 00:27:24,469 --> 00:27:26,930 the way I just learn 624 00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:28,909 something that I would have 625 00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:33,139 missed if I had not had to do it that way. 626 00:27:33,139 --> 00:27:35,480 And then also along the way 627 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,680 you you meet so many wonderful people. 628 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,070 And over a period of 17 years, 629 00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:44,989 you go through a lot of 630 00:27:44,989 --> 00:27:47,629 things that's going on in the country. 631 00:27:47,629 --> 00:27:49,160 The civil rights movement, 632 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,385 the Vietnam War, the protests, 633 00:27:52,385 --> 00:27:54,950 and just being able to 634 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:57,140 be in college when 635 00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:59,105 all of those things were happening. 636 00:27:59,105 --> 00:28:01,639 It really leaves an impression, 637 00:28:01,639 --> 00:28:04,520 an indelible impression on me. 638 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,349 It sure did on me. 639 00:28:06,349 --> 00:28:08,975 And potent stainless steel, 640 00:28:08,975 --> 00:28:11,315 leaving impression sadly, 641 00:28:11,315 --> 00:28:16,590 even this many years into my life. 642 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,960 Thank you for sharing that. I Yeah. 643 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,979 You know, I've been at 644 00:28:21,979 --> 00:28:26,015 Portland State since 1998. 645 00:28:26,015 --> 00:28:29,330 And and I've seen how 646 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:32,690 much it's changed and I I can imagine, 647 00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:34,849 you know, how much 648 00:28:34,849 --> 00:28:36,620 it's changed since you've been merits. 649 00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:40,400 Just incredible. Incredible. Well, I'll 650 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,475 just take me to just say that. 651 00:28:43,475 --> 00:28:48,470 I remember when I first started the, 652 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:51,110 the, the quadrant of potentate, 653 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:52,310 the quarter of the block where 654 00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:54,455 the president's office used to be. 655 00:28:54,455 --> 00:28:55,879 That was where I 656 00:28:55,879 --> 00:28:59,570 took my first classes down in 657 00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:02,074 the basement of that quarter 658 00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:03,409 of that building and there were 659 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:05,390 all houses around them. 660 00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:07,849 And I'm, and when, when I say houses, 661 00:29:07,849 --> 00:29:10,595 I'm talking about some oranges, 662 00:29:10,595 --> 00:29:13,399 apples is unbelievable 663 00:29:13,399 --> 00:29:15,394 fallacies. That was there. 664 00:29:15,394 --> 00:29:17,690 And the traffic was 665 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:19,984 two ways in the park block, you know, 666 00:29:19,984 --> 00:29:21,559 on both sides that are 667 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,809 now shut off and there was 668 00:29:23,809 --> 00:29:28,279 just no I'm just I'm grateful for that. 669 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,950 We will know. I'm so glad that I had 670 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:34,245 a chance to peak in, 671 00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:35,540 out of those places 672 00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:38,330 at different times over that period. 673 00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:42,119 Of my education helped me a lot. 674 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:46,459 You know, 675 00:29:46,459 --> 00:29:50,389 I, I want to go back to the pandemic. 676 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:51,620 I want to talk a little bit about 677 00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:52,849 that because there's 678 00:29:52,849 --> 00:29:56,419 so many people, everybody is worried. 679 00:29:56,419 --> 00:29:57,620 I don't know anybody who's not 680 00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:59,809 worried and who's not wondering 681 00:29:59,809 --> 00:30:01,340 what's going to happen 682 00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:03,515 and how we're going to get out of this. 683 00:30:03,515 --> 00:30:07,160 And, you know, this diseases causing 684 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,470 so much uncertainty just this 685 00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,749 morning or this afternoon, 686 00:30:11,749 --> 00:30:13,040 I should say Governor Brown 687 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,260 announced that all publics are 688 00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:16,760 all schools in the state would be 689 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,965 close to the end of the school year. 690 00:30:18,965 --> 00:30:20,919 And, you know, 691 00:30:20,919 --> 00:30:24,454 it's it's a lot there's a lot happening. 692 00:30:24,454 --> 00:30:28,264 All these people that are worried in 693 00:30:28,264 --> 00:30:29,959 thinking about all that you've been through 694 00:30:29,959 --> 00:30:31,895 and all but your family's been through, 695 00:30:31,895 --> 00:30:34,319 what would you say to them? 696 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:39,829 You know, I think that perhaps 697 00:30:39,829 --> 00:30:43,220 of a good time for us to 698 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:46,849 reflect this is really as much as we can is, 699 00:30:46,849 --> 00:30:48,800 is to go back to 700 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,584 the first pandemic that 701 00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:52,249 most people that are still 702 00:30:52,249 --> 00:30:55,979 around today know it 703 00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:58,804 had parents, it's against. 704 00:30:58,804 --> 00:31:01,084 And, you know, I am sure that 705 00:31:01,084 --> 00:31:03,619 if if we could somehow or another 706 00:31:03,619 --> 00:31:11,285 be transported back to 1912 or 13, 707 00:31:11,285 --> 00:31:15,020 probably the foolishness of 708 00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:16,789 the whirl that ended 709 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:19,624 up in the First World War. 710 00:31:19,624 --> 00:31:21,394 And you know, and when, 711 00:31:21,394 --> 00:31:23,780 when people say a world war, 712 00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:25,549 a war is a war. 713 00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:27,139 If there's a war between 714 00:31:27,139 --> 00:31:30,125 two countries, that's one thing. 715 00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:32,419 But when a war our brains just about 716 00:31:32,419 --> 00:31:33,830 everybody in the world linked 717 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:35,989 to it. That's ij. 718 00:31:35,989 --> 00:31:40,910 And I have a feeling that those 719 00:31:40,910 --> 00:31:43,940 people when they picked up 720 00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:45,499 the news papers and read 721 00:31:45,499 --> 00:31:47,834 the newspapers back then, 722 00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:49,659 that they probably had 723 00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:54,564 as much anxiety as we're experiencing today. 724 00:31:54,564 --> 00:31:57,199 With one exception. 725 00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:02,679 The news travel much slower in 1918. 726 00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:07,329 It was probably at least two 727 00:32:07,329 --> 00:32:08,770 or three or four day lag, 728 00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:10,599 even with teletypes. 729 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,460 And then fast-forward to 730 00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:13,675 the Second World War, 731 00:32:13,675 --> 00:32:16,749 when everybody was involved in a war, 732 00:32:16,749 --> 00:32:20,545 that was a horrible time for people. 733 00:32:20,545 --> 00:32:22,449 There's so much uncertainty and 734 00:32:22,449 --> 00:32:24,894 think about all the family 735 00:32:24,894 --> 00:32:27,459 who's young sons and 736 00:32:27,459 --> 00:32:30,610 daughters who went off to war. 737 00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:35,890 Just imagine having a child who was 17 or 18, 738 00:32:35,890 --> 00:32:39,669 knowing that he was going to 739 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:41,950 leave and having a daughter 740 00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:44,769 who could have gone in also. 741 00:32:44,769 --> 00:32:48,939 And then as we as we fast forward, 742 00:32:48,939 --> 00:32:50,770 we haven't had to deal 743 00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:54,745 with we've had to deal with a lot of things, 744 00:32:54,745 --> 00:32:57,700 but I think they might pale and 745 00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:59,020 I'm surely not saying that 746 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,639 people should suck it up. 747 00:33:00,639 --> 00:33:01,929 I don't mean that at all. 748 00:33:01,929 --> 00:33:07,029 They probably pale compared 749 00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:08,560 to the first, second world war. 750 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,149 But I think that 751 00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:14,359 for those of us today, myself included. 752 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,380 I feel the uncertainty even at my age 753 00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:24,319 as much as a freshman 754 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,270 at Portland State. But feel today. 755 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,409 The only difference between 756 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:32,630 it is that I've had to deal 757 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:34,399 with it in four or 758 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:37,324 five or six or seven of the different things. 759 00:33:37,324 --> 00:33:39,394 And maybe for them, 760 00:33:39,394 --> 00:33:41,509 this is the first time. 761 00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:45,005 But I just say to all of us, 762 00:33:45,005 --> 00:33:49,565 All of us have to have hope. 763 00:33:49,565 --> 00:33:52,100 And you just have to believe 764 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:56,599 that this too shall pass. 765 00:33:56,599 --> 00:34:00,170 Now we don't know 766 00:34:00,170 --> 00:34:02,014 what kind of wreck 767 00:34:02,014 --> 00:34:04,830 it's going to leave in its wake. 768 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,339 But we know it will pass. 769 00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:08,660 And so I think for us, 770 00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:11,404 you, you just, I just, 771 00:34:11,404 --> 00:34:13,805 I just think of 772 00:34:13,805 --> 00:34:18,620 the uncertainty of the Second World War 773 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:22,100 and the mothers and fathers. 774 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:24,469 But mostly mothers. 775 00:34:24,469 --> 00:34:28,279 Just because many cases the father may have 776 00:34:28,279 --> 00:34:31,594 been involved in some way with the war. 777 00:34:31,594 --> 00:34:35,690 But the uncertainty that they had, the face, 778 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:37,715 they said back then, 779 00:34:37,715 --> 00:34:40,189 nobody ever wanted to see 780 00:34:40,189 --> 00:34:42,590 the Western Union man 781 00:34:42,590 --> 00:34:45,230 come knocking on your door? 782 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:48,215 Because they always brought, 783 00:34:48,215 --> 00:34:51,090 in most cases it's bad news. 784 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,825 I wish that I understood it. 785 00:34:56,825 --> 00:34:59,240 I really wish that we 786 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:05,039 had the ability to truly understand it. 787 00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:08,224 But I think that that's 788 00:35:08,224 --> 00:35:10,400 just that's where we 789 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,335 just have to have faith in. 790 00:35:12,335 --> 00:35:13,879 And I don't mean necessarily mean 791 00:35:13,879 --> 00:35:15,515 faith from our religious. 792 00:35:15,515 --> 00:35:17,840 And that's the faith 793 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,314 that works for you. Use it. 794 00:35:20,314 --> 00:35:22,280 We all have to have 795 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,265 faith because it is uncertain. 796 00:35:26,265 --> 00:35:27,409 I look at you 797 00:35:27,409 --> 00:35:29,870 and your family and your daughters. 798 00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:36,330 I mean, where they are and where Stacy is. 799 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,450 But I just feel we'll get through it. 800 00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:44,869 But, you know, maybe I 801 00:35:44,869 --> 00:35:47,840 remember the last time I was in Hawaii, 802 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,275 which wasn't about four or five months ago. 803 00:35:51,275 --> 00:35:54,739 And we had taken off out of Honolulu. 804 00:35:54,739 --> 00:35:58,100 Lange, I had spent a nice period of time. 805 00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:02,210 They are just enjoying the beautiful ocean. 806 00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:05,419 Get on the plane, I'm on my way home. 807 00:36:05,419 --> 00:36:08,329 And with all of 808 00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:10,969 these wonderful memories of me getting up in 809 00:36:10,969 --> 00:36:13,820 the morning and having 810 00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:16,474 my breakfasts literally on the beach, 811 00:36:16,474 --> 00:36:19,025 just enjoying the beautiful ocean 812 00:36:19,025 --> 00:36:21,515 and all these wonderful things. 813 00:36:21,515 --> 00:36:23,059 And they get on the plane and 814 00:36:23,059 --> 00:36:26,555 it's hidden back deportment. 815 00:36:26,555 --> 00:36:29,839 And about 45 minutes out of out of 816 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:34,595 Honolulu, it hit turbulence. 817 00:36:34,595 --> 00:36:36,649 Care what anybody says? 818 00:36:36,649 --> 00:36:38,135 My son's a pilot 819 00:36:38,135 --> 00:36:40,699 and I used to work for the airlines. 820 00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:44,509 When you're in an airplane here, 821 00:36:44,509 --> 00:36:48,724 200 thousand feet above the ocean. 822 00:36:48,724 --> 00:36:50,194 And it's a bump, bump, 823 00:36:50,194 --> 00:36:52,144 bump, bump, bumping along. 824 00:36:52,144 --> 00:36:54,619 Its on nerdy. 825 00:36:54,619 --> 00:36:56,945 I don't care who you are. 826 00:36:56,945 --> 00:36:59,074 It's an nerdy. 827 00:36:59,074 --> 00:37:01,310 And I was unmet 828 00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:03,410 because I'm thinking about that's why 829 00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:05,750 didn't I just figured 830 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:06,889 out bumping my way all 831 00:37:06,889 --> 00:37:08,270 the way back to Portland. 832 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:09,709 And then the captain came 833 00:37:09,709 --> 00:37:11,284 on finally and he said, 834 00:37:11,284 --> 00:37:13,774 the Everybody's I want you to look 835 00:37:13,774 --> 00:37:15,380 out your windows on 836 00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:17,014 either the right or the left side. 837 00:37:17,014 --> 00:37:18,679 If you're at a window seat 838 00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:20,029 and this is your low, you, 839 00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:23,600 you'll see these very, very tall clouds. 840 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,489 He said, that's why we're bumping. 841 00:37:25,489 --> 00:37:26,825 He said That's just 842 00:37:26,825 --> 00:37:29,539 Air coming out and he says, 843 00:37:29,539 --> 00:37:31,729 we're just stop cases. 844 00:37:31,729 --> 00:37:34,940 We can't go up then we can't go Dell, PC. 845 00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:37,264 It's just going to be bumpy For a while. 846 00:37:37,264 --> 00:37:39,545 He said probably for at least 847 00:37:39,545 --> 00:37:42,330 an hour and a half. 848 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,689 Okay. And I think though, 849 00:37:47,689 --> 00:37:49,490 I think that I'm 850 00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:52,145 surely not trying to minimize is. 851 00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:54,439 But in a way, it's 852 00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:57,155 just going to be a bumpy ride for us. 853 00:37:57,155 --> 00:38:00,089 But we will get out of it. 854 00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:03,439 At least I think we will. 855 00:38:03,439 --> 00:38:06,409 I don't know if that helps anybody. 856 00:38:06,409 --> 00:38:09,530 But it helped me when he said Well, 857 00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:14,464 but an hour and 40 minutes. 858 00:38:14,464 --> 00:38:16,519 Or does she have a staid 859 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:22,760 and videos unnerved and cuts uncertain, 860 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,140 you know, and you don't have 861 00:38:24,140 --> 00:38:26,869 control of the plane? 862 00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,224 He does. And so I 863 00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:31,970 asked my son, who is a pilot. 864 00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:34,340 When I got home, I asked me 865 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:35,900 I was telling you about it unless it Keith, 866 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,930 I said when you're up there on 867 00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:41,029 the flight deck and 868 00:38:41,029 --> 00:38:42,905 he's flown the big planes. 869 00:38:42,905 --> 00:38:44,839 If last smaller planes down. 870 00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:47,750 I said do you feel that bunk? 871 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:51,989 Like we feel than me back. He says yes. 872 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,210 Easy but it's just 873 00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:57,159 a little bit different up there. 874 00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,200 Then in the back. Please submit. 875 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,229 Yes, we feel that men he told 876 00:39:02,229 --> 00:39:03,894 me one time he was on a trip 877 00:39:03,894 --> 00:39:06,565 going to fly to Japan. 878 00:39:06,565 --> 00:39:10,735 And he said that they were in turbulence, 879 00:39:10,735 --> 00:39:13,104 not just bumpy, 880 00:39:13,104 --> 00:39:15,730 probably for about four hours. 881 00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:18,025 And he says as a can be indicated 882 00:39:18,025 --> 00:39:21,309 up to planes that were above them and below. 883 00:39:21,309 --> 00:39:25,794 Everybody says it's just 884 00:39:25,794 --> 00:39:28,300 no smooth there to be file. 885 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,315 So I think what we're looking for, 886 00:39:31,315 --> 00:39:34,329 Cynthia is smoothing here. 887 00:39:34,329 --> 00:39:36,069 Yeah. Well, we will find 888 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:39,249 you will find we don't know 889 00:39:39,249 --> 00:39:40,569 how long you're going to be in 890 00:39:40,569 --> 00:39:44,635 this spot where we can stand forever. 891 00:39:44,635 --> 00:39:46,449 And so we just have to sort, 892 00:39:46,449 --> 00:39:49,899 I'm sorry to be using airlines. 893 00:39:49,899 --> 00:39:52,360 You have to buck on seat belts. 894 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,669 Or you can do what you want to do. 895 00:39:57,669 --> 00:39:59,349 You want to get out of there. 896 00:39:59,349 --> 00:40:00,939 You just have to buckle it 897 00:40:00,939 --> 00:40:05,599 up and turn up your headphones. 898 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:12,264 And then, you know, you you escape that. 899 00:40:12,264 --> 00:40:16,920 Rightly. I think we'll get through it. 900 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,110 But if I just think also, Cynthia, 901 00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:24,349 I don't think it really makes 902 00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:26,300 any difference whether you are 903 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:31,804 my age or people 20 years younger than me, 904 00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:34,204 or 20 before that are 20. 905 00:40:34,204 --> 00:40:37,429 If we really look back, 906 00:40:37,429 --> 00:40:41,220 we're all going through something. 907 00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:43,610 It's just that most 908 00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:46,595 times it's pretty personal. 909 00:40:46,595 --> 00:40:48,710 There may be a student who is 910 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:52,384 just having all the trouble in the world, 911 00:40:52,384 --> 00:40:54,410 trying to get money, 912 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:58,715 get finances, to get to college. 913 00:40:58,715 --> 00:41:03,499 My baby, a young couple who as a child that's 914 00:41:03,499 --> 00:41:08,719 born with some illness, 915 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,570 the parents might say. 916 00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:15,290 And so we, we all go through those things. 917 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:17,329 That's usually when there's little, 918 00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:21,244 we can pretty much keep it personal. 919 00:41:21,244 --> 00:41:22,789 And the only way 920 00:41:22,789 --> 00:41:24,755 that we're gonna know about it is if 921 00:41:24,755 --> 00:41:28,625 the person tells us this fear, 922 00:41:28,625 --> 00:41:31,040 we're all part of it. 923 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,779 So we just have to lock 924 00:41:32,779 --> 00:41:37,415 arms and fasten seat belts. 925 00:41:37,415 --> 00:41:39,740 I like to always use 926 00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:41,990 this wording and just keep on 927 00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:46,190 keeping on just people and people. 928 00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:47,825 I don't know what else we could do. 929 00:41:47,825 --> 00:41:52,864 Yeah. I think for me, 930 00:41:52,864 --> 00:41:54,950 I'm trying to take it one day at 931 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:57,320 a time and I'm trying to 932 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,269 appreciate what I have in 933 00:41:59,269 --> 00:42:01,624 the moment or if I'm upset, 934 00:42:01,624 --> 00:42:03,739 just try them within the that and try 935 00:42:03,739 --> 00:42:06,980 to feel it's rough. 936 00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:08,869 It's Roth having children or 937 00:42:08,869 --> 00:42:11,524 senior community Hrdy, You know, 938 00:42:11,524 --> 00:42:13,355 I think a lot about 939 00:42:13,355 --> 00:42:16,804 the folks who are incarcerated or the the, 940 00:42:16,804 --> 00:42:19,130 you know, that the folks in detention right 941 00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:20,314 now and detention 942 00:42:20,314 --> 00:42:22,249 immigrant detention centers and 943 00:42:22,249 --> 00:42:27,619 those have no ability to to to care for 944 00:42:27,619 --> 00:42:29,060 themselves and mortal hair 945 00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:30,349 for those around them because 946 00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:32,135 they're the restricted 947 00:42:32,135 --> 00:42:33,304 in these other weights. 948 00:42:33,304 --> 00:42:35,450 And these weights were restricted, 949 00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:36,710 but they're restricted and use 950 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:39,304 other ways that are unfathomable. 951 00:42:39,304 --> 00:42:44,899 Where where, you know, my mom, 952 00:42:44,899 --> 00:42:48,769 I remember mother there talking 953 00:42:48,769 --> 00:42:52,025 to us about the Great Depression. 954 00:42:52,025 --> 00:42:53,524 The Great Depression. Of course, 955 00:42:53,524 --> 00:42:56,119 there was a, there was a smaller pin them, 956 00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,070 pin that make I think in 957 00:42:58,070 --> 00:43:00,214 the early thirties but 958 00:43:00,214 --> 00:43:02,074 and it was pretty tough. 959 00:43:02,074 --> 00:43:03,229 But, you know, they, 960 00:43:03,229 --> 00:43:05,884 people had gone through the 1918 when. 961 00:43:05,884 --> 00:43:08,614 But I remember my mom talking about 962 00:43:08,614 --> 00:43:12,350 the uncertainty of life during 963 00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:13,730 the Great Depression and I remember her 964 00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:15,560 saying that she said to 965 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,960 my daddy would have been 966 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,450 happy to work all day 967 00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:24,350 long for $0.50 because 968 00:43:24,350 --> 00:43:27,604 that's what we're getting. 969 00:43:27,604 --> 00:43:30,184 And so, you know, 970 00:43:30,184 --> 00:43:33,065 I remember her talking about that and she 971 00:43:33,065 --> 00:43:36,139 remember her saying that as a little girl, 972 00:43:36,139 --> 00:43:38,569 she would remember people coming by 973 00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:42,354 their house knocking on the door, 974 00:43:42,354 --> 00:43:43,954 just saying, you know, 975 00:43:43,954 --> 00:43:45,680 could could you is there 976 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,810 anything you need done? 977 00:43:47,810 --> 00:43:51,110 I just want to I just want to play tofu. 978 00:43:51,110 --> 00:43:54,634 I'll stack that would for you or whatever. 979 00:43:54,634 --> 00:43:55,789 Put all that coal in 980 00:43:55,789 --> 00:43:59,549 a band if I just need a meal. 981 00:43:59,830 --> 00:44:04,700 So fortunately, we haven't 982 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:09,544 had to face anything that severe. 983 00:44:09,544 --> 00:44:12,659 And I hope that we don't. 984 00:44:12,659 --> 00:44:15,000 I hope I don't. 985 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,904 But if things get too tough, I go. 986 00:44:17,904 --> 00:44:20,740 But the one thing which we will not 987 00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:23,740 forget is our sense 988 00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:26,989 of humanity to each other. 989 00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:31,510 If you're doing well and somebody 990 00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:33,849 else need a peace that worried, you know, 991 00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:35,289 maybe this is one day 992 00:44:35,289 --> 00:44:36,490 I can eat a half a piece of 993 00:44:36,490 --> 00:44:39,234 bread if other half will help them. 994 00:44:39,234 --> 00:44:43,059 So I just think that, you know, this is, 995 00:44:43,059 --> 00:44:44,409 this is, so this is 996 00:44:44,409 --> 00:44:48,169 tough times. In this talk. 997 00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:52,705 I was I was on social media earlier 998 00:44:52,705 --> 00:44:56,824 and I follow darryl grant. 999 00:44:56,824 --> 00:44:59,389 As you know, he's a PSU professor of music 1000 00:44:59,389 --> 00:45:02,615 and a professional jazz pianist and composer. 1001 00:45:02,615 --> 00:45:04,700 And he shared apo, 1002 00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:05,914 so I'd like to read it. 1003 00:45:05,914 --> 00:45:08,479 It says, what is bringing me hope 1004 00:45:08,479 --> 00:45:10,789 today is the affirmation 1005 00:45:10,789 --> 00:45:12,664 that we have faced this before. 1006 00:45:12,664 --> 00:45:15,200 We've confronted pathogens, 1007 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,794 changed habits, face our fears. 1008 00:45:17,794 --> 00:45:21,020 Proliferated knowledge, helped each other. 1009 00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:23,180 Sacrifice for the greater good, 1010 00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:25,669 come together and changed for the better. 1011 00:45:25,669 --> 00:45:27,784 I know too many brilliant, 1012 00:45:27,784 --> 00:45:29,750 brave, creative, generous, 1013 00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:31,850 good-hearted people to believe 1014 00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:34,459 that we can't do it again this time. 1015 00:45:34,459 --> 00:45:36,154 It's good to be reminded 1016 00:45:36,154 --> 00:45:38,489 of who we really are. 1017 00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:44,525 Love. Doesn't it make you feel like, 1018 00:45:44,525 --> 00:45:50,460 you know, the world knows us? 1019 00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:53,939 Yeah, it really does. 1020 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,279 And Dr. Grant is absolutely right. 1021 00:45:58,279 --> 00:46:02,194 All of those things we face, 1022 00:46:02,194 --> 00:46:06,020 it's just that I think one of the tough 1023 00:46:06,020 --> 00:46:10,159 it's just that we we don't have any. 1024 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,500 Whereas 50 years ago, 1025 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,540 the lead time or the lag time, 1026 00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:16,175 I should say, that 1027 00:46:16,175 --> 00:46:19,220 could've been four to eight hours. 1028 00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:23,360 They might be 48 seconds. 1029 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,180 So it's right in your face. 1030 00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:28,864 Just can't run from it. 1031 00:46:28,864 --> 00:46:33,199 And that's sort of 1032 00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:34,730 like when you're a little kid, 1033 00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:36,800 you know, and I know when I was growing up as 1034 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,275 little kid, people didn't. 1035 00:46:39,275 --> 00:46:41,689 People never put their dogs 1036 00:46:41,689 --> 00:46:43,655 on chains like they do today. 1037 00:46:43,655 --> 00:46:46,654 Dogs uses sit on the front porch. 1038 00:46:46,654 --> 00:46:48,844 And in your neighborhood, 1039 00:46:48,844 --> 00:46:52,040 every neighborhood had a bad dog? 1040 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,675 Yeah. Every neighborhood had a bad dog. 1041 00:46:56,675 --> 00:46:59,975 And if you were going to go to school, 1042 00:46:59,975 --> 00:47:03,400 which you had to everyday, you know, 1043 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,440 that most tasks we would just 1044 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,480 go across the street and go down 1045 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,350 the other side of 1046 00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:10,360 the street and hope that the 1047 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,000 bad just didn't want 1048 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,339 to come off the court and across the street. 1049 00:47:15,339 --> 00:47:18,534 But, you know, you had to anticipate 1050 00:47:18,534 --> 00:47:22,659 that every kid though. 1051 00:47:22,659 --> 00:47:28,130 And so yes. 1052 00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:32,169 This is sorta this is sorta like that. 1053 00:47:32,169 --> 00:47:34,119 And you know, you 1054 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,180 when you start down that street, 1055 00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:39,039 you first looked down 1056 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:40,419 to see what position the dog 1057 00:47:40,419 --> 00:47:41,680 was on the porch and if you were 1058 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,900 sleeping, you hot footed it. 1059 00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:48,389 B9 You always found a way to get around it. 1060 00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:52,429 Think that's we'll find 1061 00:47:52,429 --> 00:47:56,045 a way to get through this. 1062 00:47:56,045 --> 00:48:01,714 New We've had a lot of practice. 1063 00:48:01,714 --> 00:48:06,440 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. We forget 1064 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,945 how much practice we've had. 1065 00:48:08,945 --> 00:48:12,140 Some of us more than others. But yes. 1066 00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:15,380 Yeah. So I want to I want 1067 00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:18,590 to end the interview with a question. 1068 00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:20,360 What is your hope for 1069 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,669 the future? When is your hope? 1070 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:35,419 For me is that is that we all get back safely 1071 00:48:35,419 --> 00:48:45,890 to Portland state without us with 1072 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:48,259 as little disruption as 1073 00:48:48,259 --> 00:48:57,305 possible and never give up. 1074 00:48:57,305 --> 00:49:00,240 Just revenue. 1075 00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:11,089 I always like the same Bob Marley. 1076 00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:14,809 I never knew that much about Bob Marley. 1077 00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:19,355 But my wife Jean and I, 1078 00:49:19,355 --> 00:49:22,054 when we took our first cruise, 1079 00:49:22,054 --> 00:49:24,949 I think was like 1996. 1080 00:49:24,949 --> 00:49:27,590 So six gene had 1081 00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:29,659 been fighting breast cancer 1082 00:49:29,659 --> 00:49:32,960 for about seven or eight years at that time. 1083 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:40,100 And so we took this cruise and I remember we, 1084 00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:44,430 when we departed out of Miami. 1085 00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:49,120 And when we got on the ship, 1086 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,505 the reggae band started playing. 1087 00:49:51,505 --> 00:49:54,204 And they played reggae 1088 00:49:54,204 --> 00:49:57,100 to that entire seven days. 1089 00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,310 And we've heard Bob Marley 1090 00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:02,050 and that was the first time I 1091 00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:04,105 really was sort of 1092 00:50:04,105 --> 00:50:05,469 captured where I had to 1093 00:50:05,469 --> 00:50:07,030 listen to the ray gay music. 1094 00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:08,739 I like that, but I had never 1095 00:50:08,739 --> 00:50:10,525 had it for seven days. 1096 00:50:10,525 --> 00:50:12,940 But always remember something. 1097 00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:14,080 One of his songs that 1098 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,524 Bob Marley, she has, He said, 1099 00:50:16,524 --> 00:50:19,209 I forget which one, but he has 1100 00:50:19,209 --> 00:50:20,260 a phrase and he said you have 1101 00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:23,125 to push on through. 1102 00:50:23,125 --> 00:50:25,225 But he never said that. 1103 00:50:25,225 --> 00:50:27,254 He didn't say push on through. 1104 00:50:27,254 --> 00:50:29,195 They use that wonderful, 1105 00:50:29,195 --> 00:50:31,564 wonderful Jamaican accent. 1106 00:50:31,564 --> 00:50:35,179 And he said mind you got to push on through. 1107 00:50:35,179 --> 00:50:37,759 I just know forgot that. 1108 00:50:37,759 --> 00:50:39,664 And I think we just have to push 1109 00:50:39,664 --> 00:50:42,050 on through in spite 1110 00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:44,270 of all the obstacles 1111 00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:46,190 that are out there in front of us. 1112 00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:47,479 And in spite of 1113 00:50:47,479 --> 00:50:52,500 all the uncertainties that all of us face, 1114 00:50:52,540 --> 00:50:56,449 we still have to push on through. 1115 00:50:56,449 --> 00:50:58,805 And that's my hope. 1116 00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:01,699 And that's what keeps me going. 1117 00:51:01,699 --> 00:51:03,799 And I'm going to keep pushing 1118 00:51:03,799 --> 00:51:06,620 until I can't push anymore. 1119 00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:09,260 Because it's pushing on through. 1120 00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:13,309 Yeah. Well, that's that's 1121 00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:14,780 a wonderful place I think to 1122 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:16,640 end the end our time. 1123 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,769 And I'm just so thankful. 1124 00:51:18,769 --> 00:51:20,180 I'm so thankful I got to spend 1125 00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:22,069 this last hour with you, Mr. Washington. 1126 00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:23,419 You're fantastic and 1127 00:51:23,419 --> 00:51:25,309 a beautiful, beautiful soul. 1128 00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:29,209 And and I I just I'm thank you. 1129 00:51:29,209 --> 00:51:31,264 Thank you for spending this time with me. 1130 00:51:31,264 --> 00:51:33,920 Yes. Are we are we all finish now? 1131 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,450 We are all finished. 1132 00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:37,760 I'll have Stacey, Rebecca, 1133 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,860 and they'll stay ceased. 1134 00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:44,820 Stop the recording and bring her back in.