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I'd like to thank you all 20 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,609 for tuning in to ask 21 00:00:34,609 --> 00:00:36,154 a black doctor with myself. 22 00:00:36,154 --> 00:00:37,684 These ambushed and doctor, 23 00:00:37,684 --> 00:00:39,170 because he do Bay. 24 00:00:39,170 --> 00:00:40,939 We are in the beginning of 25 00:00:40,939 --> 00:00:42,530 a mini-series on reproductive 26 00:00:42,530 --> 00:00:44,404 and sexual Health. 27 00:00:44,404 --> 00:00:46,519 And we're joined and we'll be joined 28 00:00:46,519 --> 00:00:48,665 by several guests throughout this series. 29 00:00:48,665 --> 00:00:50,149 I'm really, really excited 30 00:00:50,149 --> 00:00:51,724 to jump into this topic 31 00:00:51,724 --> 00:00:54,170 and get down to 32 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:55,459 the brass tacks are some things 33 00:00:55,459 --> 00:00:57,424 that are very time-sensitive. 34 00:00:57,424 --> 00:00:59,539 With me today, we have 35 00:00:59,539 --> 00:01:01,685 a myriad of gasoline bunch of guests today. 36 00:01:01,685 --> 00:01:03,860 I'm going to start off with 37 00:01:03,860 --> 00:01:05,839 someone who has been a guest in the past. 38 00:01:05,839 --> 00:01:08,239 And we're always really excited 39 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:09,529 to have Dr. Hallowell 40 00:01:09,529 --> 00:01:12,065 this morning, Dr. Heller. 41 00:01:12,065 --> 00:01:13,969 Hello, how are you doing? 42 00:01:13,969 --> 00:01:14,659 Pjmv? 43 00:01:14,659 --> 00:01:16,354 Hello everybody. 44 00:01:16,354 --> 00:01:18,784 Doing great, doing great. 45 00:01:18,784 --> 00:01:20,914 Hello. Who else do we have with us today? 46 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:22,594 We also, they have back there, 47 00:01:22,594 --> 00:01:23,899 Hans here with us 48 00:01:23,899 --> 00:01:25,874 and join our conversation doctrine. 49 00:01:25,874 --> 00:01:29,620 Hi everybody. Roberta hint and I 50 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:31,689 am a researcher and 51 00:01:31,689 --> 00:01:33,624 assistant professor at Portland State. 52 00:01:33,624 --> 00:01:35,334 I use she her pronouns. 53 00:01:35,334 --> 00:01:38,320 I'm going to pass to Ms. 54 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,444 Mariano Gary Smith. Thank you. 55 00:01:42,444 --> 00:01:44,664 Doctor. Professor Roberta hunt. 56 00:01:44,664 --> 00:01:46,960 My name is Mariana Gary Smith. 57 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:48,070 My pronouns are she, her 58 00:01:48,070 --> 00:01:49,270 and queen, which is reserved. 59 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:51,400 Everybody who is here 60 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,810 with us today can use coin. 61 00:01:52,810 --> 00:01:54,924 It's, it's very specific. 62 00:01:54,924 --> 00:01:58,960 And I am a third-generation 63 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,700 Portland or six generations 64 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:02,465 of family members here and I am 65 00:02:02,465 --> 00:02:06,444 a agitator in the third-generation agitator. 66 00:02:06,444 --> 00:02:09,260 And my specialty area of 67 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:10,340 expertise is in 68 00:02:10,340 --> 00:02:12,709 reproductive justice and sexuality. 69 00:02:12,709 --> 00:02:15,260 I'm going to pass it over to you. 70 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:17,345 Thank you, Marietta. 71 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:18,709 It's really good to be here. 72 00:02:18,709 --> 00:02:20,030 My name is Ngozi. 73 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:24,275 I use she and my name as pronouns. 74 00:02:24,275 --> 00:02:28,700 And I grew up in Portland and have 75 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:30,740 worked in sexual and reproductive health 76 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:33,755 for a while now. 77 00:02:33,755 --> 00:02:37,715 About 20 years. And yeah, 78 00:02:37,715 --> 00:02:38,885 really good to be here. 79 00:02:38,885 --> 00:02:41,645 Thank you. Thank you all for joining us. 80 00:02:41,645 --> 00:02:43,160 So you know what, let's just 81 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,290 jump directly into it. 82 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:47,435 Today is the 28th. 83 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:49,834 29th. I'm sorry. 84 00:02:49,834 --> 00:02:53,329 Something major just recently happened. 85 00:02:53,329 --> 00:02:56,419 Roe versus Wade was overturned. 86 00:02:56,419 --> 00:02:59,000 Can we can I can we go around the room 87 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,780 and everyone give it some 88 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:01,460 of their initial reactions. 89 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:04,940 We feel like we saw this on the horizon with 90 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:07,309 that leak that happened 91 00:03:07,309 --> 00:03:09,659 about a month or two ago. 92 00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:12,680 It's even then didn't feel 93 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,589 like it felt like a real threat, 94 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:18,020 but it just didn't feel I didn't have 95 00:03:18,020 --> 00:03:19,160 the same reaction I did when 96 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,600 it actually happened like no, 97 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,464 this really took place. 98 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:25,550 If it's not too much, 99 00:03:25,550 --> 00:03:27,230 could you could you all speak 100 00:03:27,230 --> 00:03:29,370 to how you felt in that moment? 101 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:34,580 I feel that we saw 102 00:03:34,580 --> 00:03:36,470 the writing on the wall way 103 00:03:36,470 --> 00:03:40,940 back when Bush nominated Clarence Thomas. 104 00:03:40,940 --> 00:03:44,344 Professor Anita Hill, until no live. 105 00:03:44,344 --> 00:03:46,130 Shouldn't be no back there. 106 00:03:46,130 --> 00:03:48,020 We also know the last three years to 107 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:50,539 spend a plan of the GOP. 108 00:03:50,539 --> 00:03:52,910 They have steadily change the game, 109 00:03:52,910 --> 00:03:54,259 changed the rules in regards 110 00:03:54,259 --> 00:03:55,955 to the Supreme Court. 111 00:03:55,955 --> 00:03:57,500 And play the game 112 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:58,790 of such a way where people stopped paying 113 00:03:58,790 --> 00:04:00,440 attention and have been 114 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,730 stacking the course Delhi points 115 00:04:01,730 --> 00:04:02,600 for the Supreme Court, 116 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,360 but the federal courts soap itself has been, 117 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,340 the writing was on the wall and as soon as 118 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:09,620 Cavanaugh that through and then AT cold beer, 119 00:04:09,620 --> 00:04:10,850 we knew the ad felt 120 00:04:10,850 --> 00:04:12,020 that I knew at that point the gig 121 00:04:12,020 --> 00:04:13,280 was just a matter of time 122 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,155 before the cases make it. 123 00:04:15,155 --> 00:04:17,555 So I wasn't upset 124 00:04:17,555 --> 00:04:19,279 because I knew it was coming. 125 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,105 More frustrated by the people who have power, 126 00:04:23,105 --> 00:04:26,300 Caucasian citing that they 127 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:27,620 didn't do what they needed to do. 128 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:28,760 And now they want us as 129 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:29,870 black and brown folks to 130 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:31,265 come in and say today. 131 00:04:31,265 --> 00:04:33,365 So we didn't make the message. 132 00:04:33,365 --> 00:04:35,870 As sparkle to it says 133 00:04:35,870 --> 00:04:37,459 to Dr. Heller just shared. 134 00:04:37,459 --> 00:04:38,855 I think it's important to 135 00:04:38,855 --> 00:04:41,315 at least for me in my context. 136 00:04:41,315 --> 00:04:44,089 I'm from a family agitators and I 137 00:04:44,089 --> 00:04:46,099 remember hearing my grandmother 138 00:04:46,099 --> 00:04:47,359 and my mother and my aunts talk 139 00:04:47,359 --> 00:04:49,325 about what they had to endure 140 00:04:49,325 --> 00:04:51,680 as femme identifying people 141 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,065 as black women in this, 142 00:04:54,065 --> 00:04:56,075 in this city in particular. 143 00:04:56,075 --> 00:04:58,099 The family history in dealing 144 00:04:58,099 --> 00:05:00,260 with Planned Parenthood and 145 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:02,750 other organizations like that. 146 00:05:02,750 --> 00:05:04,999 I wasn't surprised. 147 00:05:04,999 --> 00:05:07,700 I think what I was more surprised at is 148 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:09,770 the amazement of other people 149 00:05:09,770 --> 00:05:12,125 who thought that this wasn't going to happen. 150 00:05:12,125 --> 00:05:15,559 I think as Dr. Heller noted, 151 00:05:15,559 --> 00:05:17,960 the nominations of Kavanaugh. 152 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,595 And I'm going to say 153 00:05:19,595 --> 00:05:21,530 old girl because I can't remember her name. 154 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:22,940 That's not to be disrespectful, 155 00:05:22,940 --> 00:05:24,199 but I think it fits, right. 156 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:26,390 I think that was telling. 157 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:28,339 And also because of 158 00:05:28,339 --> 00:05:31,279 the previous administration was 159 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,834 very clear about stripping away a lot of the 160 00:05:34,834 --> 00:05:36,500 The rights that folks had been 161 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,270 advocating and fighting for for so long. 162 00:05:38,270 --> 00:05:40,579 So I wasn't I 163 00:05:40,579 --> 00:05:41,989 was sadly disappointed as someone 164 00:05:41,989 --> 00:05:43,219 who's grown up understanding that 165 00:05:43,219 --> 00:05:45,800 this particular right was available to me. 166 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,004 And it's and it's now not. 167 00:05:48,004 --> 00:05:50,480 Again, even in that even 168 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,490 in that as a black woman, 169 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:54,604 as a black fem, I'm also really clear that 170 00:05:54,604 --> 00:05:55,789 even if it was loud didn't 171 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:57,139 mean it was accessible to me. 172 00:05:57,139 --> 00:05:58,535 That there were other things that were 173 00:05:58,535 --> 00:06:00,409 preventing folks who look 174 00:06:00,409 --> 00:06:02,404 like me and other people. 175 00:06:02,404 --> 00:06:04,520 Some bodies with uteruses or 176 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,799 other pregnant potentially pregnant folks. 177 00:06:06,799 --> 00:06:08,479 We're not going to have access 178 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:10,070 for a lot of other reasons outside of 179 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:12,349 a law that said it 180 00:06:12,349 --> 00:06:16,740 was available or are legal right to seek it. 181 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,230 And I agree again with Sister, Dr. Heller, 182 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:21,774 the desire to see who's going to 183 00:06:21,774 --> 00:06:23,979 clean this up is fascinating. 184 00:06:23,979 --> 00:06:25,344 So I'm fascinated watching it. 185 00:06:25,344 --> 00:06:26,199 Like I'm interested. 186 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:27,939 I'm intrigued by saying bees handmade 187 00:06:27,939 --> 00:06:30,310 tail means come up, right? 188 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:32,110 And people are just, you know, oh, 189 00:06:32,110 --> 00:06:33,249 where's the I need to get 190 00:06:33,249 --> 00:06:34,449 my pussy hat and it's like no, 191 00:06:34,449 --> 00:06:35,649 that it wouldn't cute when you pulled it 192 00:06:35,649 --> 00:06:37,570 out 34 years ago 193 00:06:37,570 --> 00:06:38,739 and it's certainly not cute today, 194 00:06:38,739 --> 00:06:41,845 but go off like if that's what you wanna do. 195 00:06:41,845 --> 00:06:44,509 So I wasn't surprised. 196 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:47,919 It's a little bit scary because my mind 197 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:49,660 goes to the worst-case scenario. 198 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:50,739 So I'm like, Oh, y'all are trying 199 00:06:50,739 --> 00:06:52,060 to go all the way back to lag. 200 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:53,470 The first colonial days. 201 00:06:53,470 --> 00:06:55,060 That's how my mind works. 202 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:57,520 So it's a little scary. 203 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,790 I'm trying not to be as semi-colon 204 00:06:59,790 --> 00:07:01,160 depressing as I can be 205 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,825 when I think about things like that. 206 00:07:02,825 --> 00:07:04,759 No, as far as cynicism 207 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:06,485 is concerned, you're in a safe space. 208 00:07:06,485 --> 00:07:08,989 That's usually bring to the conversation. 209 00:07:08,989 --> 00:07:15,964 So anyone feel free to chime in? 210 00:07:15,964 --> 00:07:19,609 I mean, I, I, I think I very 211 00:07:19,609 --> 00:07:23,974 much share the cynicism around this. 212 00:07:23,974 --> 00:07:26,899 And you know, 213 00:07:26,899 --> 00:07:30,185 it's an attack on bodily autonomy. 214 00:07:30,185 --> 00:07:35,510 And that there are dominoes behind that. 215 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:41,015 And that we, we have, 216 00:07:41,015 --> 00:07:44,874 we have a lot of fights ahead of us. 217 00:07:44,874 --> 00:07:47,770 I think the, the thing that to me 218 00:07:47,770 --> 00:07:53,050 is surprising and I 219 00:07:53,050 --> 00:07:55,015 know I should not be surprised, 220 00:07:55,015 --> 00:07:57,219 is the way that protecting 221 00:07:57,219 --> 00:08:00,379 black women has been used on the, 222 00:08:00,379 --> 00:08:02,619 on the right as justification 223 00:08:02,619 --> 00:08:07,345 for taking our rights away. 224 00:08:07,345 --> 00:08:11,680 And I think about 225 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,700 the movement that said 226 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:18,010 that abortion was black genocide. 227 00:08:18,010 --> 00:08:23,559 And the sister song collective, woman, 228 00:08:23,559 --> 00:08:25,729 a woman of color 229 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:28,939 reproductive justice 230 00:08:28,939 --> 00:08:31,249 organization out of Georgia. 231 00:08:31,249 --> 00:08:33,229 And really like some 232 00:08:33,229 --> 00:08:34,519 of the leading grassroots 233 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:36,934 thinking around 234 00:08:36,934 --> 00:08:38,990 sexual and reproductive justice. 235 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:41,060 And they 236 00:08:41,060 --> 00:08:44,029 launched a trust black women campaign 237 00:08:44,029 --> 00:08:47,790 against this idea of, 238 00:08:47,850 --> 00:08:52,025 of using abortion and 239 00:08:52,025 --> 00:08:54,289 as an attack on black families, 240 00:08:54,289 --> 00:08:58,355 as an attack on black women. 241 00:08:58,355 --> 00:09:00,664 And they, 242 00:09:00,664 --> 00:09:03,155 with their trust black women campaign. 243 00:09:03,155 --> 00:09:06,905 It keeps it is more relevant today. 244 00:09:06,905 --> 00:09:09,095 Um, you know, then, 245 00:09:09,095 --> 00:09:10,355 then it was even 246 00:09:10,355 --> 00:09:13,460 when it was initially launched. 247 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:20,734 But the rate is always willing to use 248 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:26,225 black women and black black bodies 249 00:09:26,225 --> 00:09:29,330 to its white supremacist ends. 250 00:09:29,330 --> 00:09:34,910 I be honest, I don't even know how to 251 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:41,150 follow all of that because again, surprise. 252 00:09:41,150 --> 00:09:46,384 It makes sense that a lot of us, 253 00:09:46,384 --> 00:09:49,069 especially if you're not a black woman, 254 00:09:49,069 --> 00:09:50,810 it makes sense for the 255 00:09:50,810 --> 00:09:52,774 majority of us to be surprised, right? 256 00:09:52,774 --> 00:09:55,190 Because we are all experiencing 257 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:56,989 different levels of privilege. 258 00:09:56,989 --> 00:09:59,044 Male privilege. 259 00:09:59,044 --> 00:10:00,530 If you're outside of 260 00:10:00,530 --> 00:10:02,075 our community altogether, 261 00:10:02,075 --> 00:10:04,760 whatever privilege your ethnicity gives you, 262 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,934 outside of being a black woman, 263 00:10:06,934 --> 00:10:08,659 that's a very unique perspective 264 00:10:08,659 --> 00:10:10,499 to speak for him. 265 00:10:11,020 --> 00:10:14,659 And to have seen 266 00:10:14,659 --> 00:10:17,134 the writing on the wall all this time. 267 00:10:17,134 --> 00:10:20,449 And to carry on about your day, 268 00:10:20,449 --> 00:10:23,524 carrying on about your life exist in 269 00:10:23,524 --> 00:10:25,699 a degree of sanity where 270 00:10:25,699 --> 00:10:28,084 it's just like a very slow car crash. 271 00:10:28,084 --> 00:10:30,169 You just sitting here watching it. 272 00:10:30,169 --> 00:10:33,124 Then here I am asking you, 273 00:10:33,124 --> 00:10:35,845 how do you feel in that moment? 274 00:10:35,845 --> 00:10:38,734 Still see all of you just like 275 00:10:38,734 --> 00:10:41,029 Yeah, we saw come in. 276 00:10:41,029 --> 00:10:44,510 And now, Yes, 277 00:10:44,510 --> 00:10:48,365 The entire world is reacting to this. 278 00:10:48,365 --> 00:10:51,875 And ultimately it will be hoisted upon 279 00:10:51,875 --> 00:10:52,910 the shoulders of black women 280 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:53,750 who tried to solve this and 281 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:56,375 fixes for everyone else. 282 00:10:56,375 --> 00:10:58,940 While it cost planning is happening. 283 00:10:58,940 --> 00:11:06,845 It's got heavy early, okay? Alright. 284 00:11:06,845 --> 00:11:09,320 We are in Oregon though. 285 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,639 And from what I've been 286 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:12,859 hearing from our legislators, 287 00:11:12,859 --> 00:11:16,444 I believe Washington and California as well, 288 00:11:16,444 --> 00:11:17,780 to try and to form a pack where 289 00:11:17,780 --> 00:11:18,920 we won't have to worry about that, 290 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,090 where people that live within 291 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:22,700 our borders won't have to worry about that. 292 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:23,719 Can anyone speak to any 293 00:11:23,719 --> 00:11:25,129 information they have on that and 294 00:11:25,129 --> 00:11:29,150 how this impacts or does not impact Oregon. 295 00:11:29,150 --> 00:11:30,904 Well, here's a good thing. 296 00:11:30,904 --> 00:11:32,569 So what we know is that a 297 00:11:32,569 --> 00:11:35,059 cosmetic called distressing Gynecologist. 298 00:11:35,059 --> 00:11:37,220 Gynecology. The region that 299 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:39,080 we're in right now for a number of years, 300 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,819 you've already been looking at Oregon 301 00:11:40,819 --> 00:11:42,140 specifically washed and 302 00:11:42,140 --> 00:11:44,779 specifically as havens, 303 00:11:44,779 --> 00:11:46,579 where women and other states 304 00:11:46,579 --> 00:11:48,319 that have more restrictive laws like Texas, 305 00:11:48,319 --> 00:11:49,625 Alabama at all, 306 00:11:49,625 --> 00:11:50,989 women have already coming here. 307 00:11:50,989 --> 00:11:53,164 So you've already been having programs. 308 00:11:53,164 --> 00:11:55,400 Are plans set in place to make sure that 309 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,935 we're safe haven in the state of Oregon. 310 00:11:57,935 --> 00:11:59,540 I think it's really important to me clarify. 311 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:01,250 So the Supreme Court did not take 312 00:12:01,250 --> 00:12:02,480 away legalize abortion. 313 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,170 Is that what they did? 314 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:04,580 What they did was they threw 315 00:12:04,580 --> 00:12:06,800 the control back to the states so that states 316 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,209 themselves can decide individually 317 00:12:08,209 --> 00:12:08,720 how they're going to 318 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,104 handle or manage the question of abortion. 319 00:12:11,104 --> 00:12:13,670 So the way that the majority, 320 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:15,260 unfortunately much on Jordi, 321 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:17,000 majority stays or handling is they've gone 322 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,679 back to laws they had before, 323 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,450 some which were very restrictive. 324 00:12:20,450 --> 00:12:22,219 Where if you are the heartbeat laws, 325 00:12:22,219 --> 00:12:23,089 if there's a heartbeat, 326 00:12:23,089 --> 00:12:23,960 you can't do anything about 327 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,250 it or if you're passing Swedes, 328 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:26,150 blah-blah-blah. 329 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:28,100 That does not mean abortion has gone. 330 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:29,629 That just means that people didn't 331 00:12:29,629 --> 00:12:30,830 have safe access to 332 00:12:30,830 --> 00:12:31,714 abortions in those states. 333 00:12:31,714 --> 00:12:32,480 Which of course means 334 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,365 when we're going to die, 335 00:12:33,365 --> 00:12:35,090 does different so much in 336 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:37,550 places like Oregon, California, 337 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:39,799 Washington, other, 11 other states have 338 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,460 maintained safe access to abortion, 339 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:45,410 where women have access. 340 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:48,500 And here and until us, 341 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:50,270 the Federal Supreme Court 342 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:51,800 says that there's no 343 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,120 legal abortion in any stage, 344 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,709 by the way, Thomas trying to do now, then, 345 00:12:54,709 --> 00:12:56,989 but until then to let that happens, 346 00:12:56,989 --> 00:12:58,789 we will maintain an R. 347 00:12:58,789 --> 00:13:00,830 It's enshrined in the Constitution of 348 00:13:00,830 --> 00:13:03,260 the State of Oregon that we actually have 349 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:05,239 protection and privacy in 350 00:13:05,239 --> 00:13:07,294 regards to our reproductive rights, 351 00:13:07,294 --> 00:13:08,930 does not, I don't think it's enshrined in 352 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:10,099 the constitution of California, 353 00:13:10,099 --> 00:13:11,314 but they'd have laws. 354 00:13:11,314 --> 00:13:13,219 It's safe there. So we 355 00:13:13,219 --> 00:13:14,854 still have safe axis here. 356 00:13:14,854 --> 00:13:17,390 We are a safe haven. 357 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:19,264 And there are already funds 358 00:13:19,264 --> 00:13:21,575 being created formally through 359 00:13:21,575 --> 00:13:24,019 a cog through the city for 360 00:13:24,019 --> 00:13:25,354 maternal fetal medicine, 361 00:13:25,354 --> 00:13:26,720 through mocha Medicine, 362 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,759 which is a 501C3 that program, the imams, 363 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:30,439 a bunch of black female OB-GYN 364 00:13:30,439 --> 00:13:31,760 is going to be practice that does OB 365 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,949 and high-risk will be around town and 366 00:13:33,949 --> 00:13:35,720 several other organizations so 367 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,859 that they'll take care 368 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:38,344 of transportation costs, 369 00:13:38,344 --> 00:13:39,919 housing here, 370 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:41,884 and make sure that they are in their April. 371 00:13:41,884 --> 00:13:43,129 The women who need help, 372 00:13:43,129 --> 00:13:44,569 her birthing people who need 373 00:13:44,569 --> 00:13:46,219 help or who do not, who, 374 00:13:46,219 --> 00:13:48,349 people, people who are pregnant against 375 00:13:48,349 --> 00:13:50,239 their will can get 376 00:13:50,239 --> 00:13:51,964 access that they need here in the state. 377 00:13:51,964 --> 00:13:54,480 And that's protected by the state law. 378 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,509 In 2017, the Reproductive 379 00:13:59,509 --> 00:14:02,179 Health Equity Act was passed. 380 00:14:02,179 --> 00:14:05,209 What Dr. Heller is referring to is that that 381 00:14:05,209 --> 00:14:07,039 basically with the passing 382 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:08,735 of Reproductive Health Equity Act, 383 00:14:08,735 --> 00:14:11,030 that's a lot of 384 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:13,280 times people refer to it as Maria. 385 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,245 With the passing of that, 386 00:14:15,245 --> 00:14:18,034 it codified into law, 387 00:14:18,034 --> 00:14:20,210 that abortion is legal 388 00:14:20,210 --> 00:14:21,589 in the state of Oregon. 389 00:14:21,589 --> 00:14:24,020 It codified into law the right 390 00:14:24,020 --> 00:14:26,869 to access and receive an abortion. 391 00:14:26,869 --> 00:14:30,980 It codified into law protections 392 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:32,029 for health care providers, 393 00:14:32,029 --> 00:14:33,470 the right for a health care provider 394 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:36,155 to provide an abortion. 395 00:14:36,155 --> 00:14:38,615 It also along with 396 00:14:38,615 --> 00:14:43,129 ensuring ensuring that in-law 397 00:14:43,129 --> 00:14:45,515 that the write is there, 398 00:14:45,515 --> 00:14:51,739 it did it did also expand coverage expanded 399 00:14:51,739 --> 00:14:55,205 services for people in 400 00:14:55,205 --> 00:14:58,129 Oregon around ensuring that 401 00:14:58,129 --> 00:14:59,179 people who are covered by 402 00:14:59,179 --> 00:15:01,324 certain insurance plans. 403 00:15:01,324 --> 00:15:03,050 Those insurance plans have 404 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:04,250 to pay for abortions, 405 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:05,389 They have to reimburse for 406 00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:08,089 those abortions. They have to cover. 407 00:15:08,089 --> 00:15:10,130 Then I 408 00:15:10,130 --> 00:15:12,380 say certain insurance plans because I can 409 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:13,684 I can speak more on 410 00:15:13,684 --> 00:15:17,720 those details. Let me get to that. 411 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,559 But certain people with 412 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:24,904 commercial commercial insurance plans, 413 00:15:24,904 --> 00:15:28,220 they have to they have to cover abortions. 414 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,200 It also covers people who are 415 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,945 covered by Oregon Health Plan, but HP. 416 00:15:32,945 --> 00:15:36,080 And it also ensures that people who 417 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,569 don't qualify for early speeds 418 00:15:37,569 --> 00:15:39,335 due to their immigration status, 419 00:15:39,335 --> 00:15:42,529 whether they are waiting 420 00:15:42,529 --> 00:15:45,110 for their residency status like they're in 421 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:47,540 that five-year waiting period or they are 422 00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:49,069 DACA status or are 423 00:15:49,069 --> 00:15:51,949 they, um, are undocumented. 424 00:15:51,949 --> 00:15:54,499 People who aren't don't qualify for HP 425 00:15:54,499 --> 00:15:56,450 do their immigration status will 426 00:15:56,450 --> 00:15:58,009 still be covered through 427 00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:59,149 Oregon Health Authorities 428 00:15:59,149 --> 00:16:00,485 reproductive health program. 429 00:16:00,485 --> 00:16:01,969 So they will reimburse 430 00:16:01,969 --> 00:16:04,729 providers for providing abortions 431 00:16:04,729 --> 00:16:07,940 for folks who are 432 00:16:07,940 --> 00:16:09,019 falling through the cracks due 433 00:16:09,019 --> 00:16:11,735 to their immigration status. 434 00:16:11,735 --> 00:16:14,299 Without any regard to 435 00:16:14,299 --> 00:16:16,640 whether somebody lives in Oregon or not. 436 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,389 So if somebody there's no 437 00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:23,930 like there's no restrictions 438 00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:24,979 for people whether 439 00:16:24,979 --> 00:16:26,000 they live in Oregon or not. 440 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,675 So anyone from any state anywhere? 441 00:16:29,675 --> 00:16:32,054 They they can. 442 00:16:32,054 --> 00:16:34,045 They can receive an abortion here, 443 00:16:34,045 --> 00:16:37,850 and it's, and it's protected in this state. 444 00:16:38,010 --> 00:16:41,469 There are some of course, 445 00:16:41,469 --> 00:16:43,839 what's in the law 446 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,690 and the expansion of services there 447 00:16:46,690 --> 00:16:48,279 are there are still gaps 448 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:51,609 and there are still barriers to access. 449 00:16:51,609 --> 00:16:54,249 So having these things 450 00:16:54,249 --> 00:16:56,110 in law doesn't necessarily ensure 451 00:16:56,110 --> 00:16:59,650 that everybody's getting equal access 452 00:16:59,650 --> 00:17:03,804 and or that everybody is protected. 453 00:17:03,804 --> 00:17:07,810 So we can talk more about that, but that's, 454 00:17:07,810 --> 00:17:09,369 those are some of the details about 455 00:17:09,369 --> 00:17:11,079 the Reproductive Health Equity Act 456 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,489 here in the state of Oregon. 457 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:16,689 And to add to that, 458 00:17:16,689 --> 00:17:17,319 because it's one of 459 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,630 the most progressive legislation 460 00:17:19,630 --> 00:17:21,280 of its kind in the country. 461 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,690 And really we need more of 462 00:17:22,690 --> 00:17:25,119 this in other states. 463 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,770 It is also inclusive of 464 00:17:26,770 --> 00:17:29,154 trans and non-binary people. 465 00:17:29,154 --> 00:17:31,104 So it's an incredibly 466 00:17:31,104 --> 00:17:33,024 comprehensive 467 00:17:33,024 --> 00:17:37,510 sexual and reproductive legislation. 468 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:39,339 Just to add to that, and that's where 469 00:17:39,339 --> 00:17:40,435 representation matters, right? 470 00:17:40,435 --> 00:17:41,769 Because we have people who are writing 471 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:43,374 that bill who do not 472 00:17:43,374 --> 00:17:47,124 identify an axis, right? 473 00:17:47,124 --> 00:17:48,699 So that was really helpful. 474 00:17:48,699 --> 00:17:49,629 We also had people 475 00:17:49,629 --> 00:17:50,679 who were in class right now, 476 00:17:50,679 --> 00:17:52,344 Bill, who didn't look like the majority. 477 00:17:52,344 --> 00:17:53,590 So they really weren't thinking about 478 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:56,059 everyone at that time. 479 00:17:56,380 --> 00:17:59,449 To follow up with what's been shared. 480 00:17:59,449 --> 00:18:00,859 I think it's also important to note 481 00:18:00,859 --> 00:18:02,464 that the origins of Rhea, 482 00:18:02,464 --> 00:18:04,099 rhea as a Bill 483 00:18:04,099 --> 00:18:06,635 started within communities of color. 484 00:18:06,635 --> 00:18:10,160 It was grounded in founded in spaces 485 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,239 where black and brown and 486 00:18:11,239 --> 00:18:14,149 indigenous femme identifying folks, 487 00:18:14,149 --> 00:18:17,330 women and other trans non-binary folks were 488 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:18,559 working in 489 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:22,340 a very specific way to build relationship. 490 00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:23,735 What happens when you were, 491 00:18:23,735 --> 00:18:25,040 when you were in movement spaces? 492 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,389 That's what's really common. 493 00:18:26,389 --> 00:18:28,310 Is that mainstream? 494 00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:30,199 Or I can say the word here because I can say 495 00:18:30,199 --> 00:18:32,989 the word white organizations or whitespaces, 496 00:18:32,989 --> 00:18:35,689 utilize wedges to keep communities of 497 00:18:35,689 --> 00:18:37,310 color black and brown and indigenous folks 498 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:39,079 separated other communities of color, 499 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:40,790 culturally identified folks, right? 500 00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:42,499 So what this collective of 501 00:18:42,499 --> 00:18:44,330 people came together to do was 502 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:46,879 to actually talk about the wedges that are 503 00:18:46,879 --> 00:18:49,820 utilized to keep communities separated. 504 00:18:49,820 --> 00:18:51,964 And what did it mean to be in 505 00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:54,485 solidarity and accomplish it, right? 506 00:18:54,485 --> 00:18:56,509 And allyship, I don't use the word I like 507 00:18:56,509 --> 00:18:58,744 as I for some reason that I don't like it. 508 00:18:58,744 --> 00:19:00,680 Accomplish it to me means that 509 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,249 you are willing to 510 00:19:01,249 --> 00:19:02,885 sacrifice and give something up. 511 00:19:02,885 --> 00:19:05,825 And so the conversations that started 512 00:19:05,825 --> 00:19:07,580 generated the foundation for what 513 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,069 Raya turned out to be, right? 514 00:19:10,069 --> 00:19:11,090 So again, it started 515 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:13,580 in black and brown and indigenous faces, 516 00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:15,109 black and brown and indigenous folks and 517 00:19:15,109 --> 00:19:16,129 other folks of 518 00:19:16,129 --> 00:19:18,470 color across multiple identities. 519 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:19,790 We're coming together to talk 520 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:21,170 about what is it that we need to make 521 00:19:21,170 --> 00:19:23,419 sure that we have the right to 522 00:19:23,419 --> 00:19:24,709 our own bodies and 523 00:19:24,709 --> 00:19:26,989 making our decisions insured. 524 00:19:26,989 --> 00:19:29,840 And within the state. That says 525 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,160 that they want to be progressive, right? 526 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,904 Oregon is displace, wants to be progressive. 527 00:19:33,904 --> 00:19:36,170 This is actually a representation of what 528 00:19:36,170 --> 00:19:37,400 progressive movement looks like 529 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,689 in an active space. 530 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,670 Dr. Howell, You mentioned 531 00:19:43,670 --> 00:19:45,229 something a little bit earlier. 532 00:19:45,229 --> 00:19:48,440 The word privacy popped up for me. 533 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,380 I believe it was a month or so 534 00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:52,580 ago when we first 535 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:54,050 started having this conversation, 536 00:19:54,050 --> 00:19:57,289 I saw something about the importance of 537 00:19:57,289 --> 00:19:59,719 data and how that plays a part 538 00:19:59,719 --> 00:20:02,644 in tracking women's movements, 539 00:20:02,644 --> 00:20:04,129 especially around the pregnancy. 540 00:20:04,129 --> 00:20:08,090 And it hadn't occurred to me that there 541 00:20:08,090 --> 00:20:10,490 are entities right now 542 00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:13,190 that are looking to track traits. 543 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:17,225 So the data that is acquired 544 00:20:17,225 --> 00:20:19,580 through the apps that women 545 00:20:19,580 --> 00:20:23,189 use to track their periods. 546 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,619 Protections for health care providers 547 00:20:27,619 --> 00:20:29,659 also pops up in my head too, 548 00:20:29,659 --> 00:20:31,339 because we are talking about the ability 549 00:20:31,339 --> 00:20:33,019 for people being able to travel to 550 00:20:33,019 --> 00:20:34,850 places where they can 551 00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:37,829 have an abortion safely. 552 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:45,770 What exactly what exactly are we 553 00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:48,320 talking about here when we're 554 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,245 talking about organs, a safe haven. 555 00:20:51,245 --> 00:20:53,149 But if you're coming from a state 556 00:20:53,149 --> 00:20:54,770 where they have these, 557 00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:56,014 for lack of a better phrase, 558 00:20:56,014 --> 00:20:58,895 bounty hunter laws in place now, 559 00:20:58,895 --> 00:21:01,339 where any citizen can file 560 00:21:01,339 --> 00:21:03,020 a lawsuit over port 561 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,269 on someone that they think was pregnant. 562 00:21:05,269 --> 00:21:07,624 Like, how did how does that work out? 563 00:21:07,624 --> 00:21:09,635 How does that work out exactly? 564 00:21:09,635 --> 00:21:11,449 At someone can come to Oregon and 565 00:21:11,449 --> 00:21:13,070 still get the procedure done safely. 566 00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:15,049 But then they returned in our state 567 00:21:15,049 --> 00:21:16,459 is a social situation 568 00:21:16,459 --> 00:21:18,574 where they can face that. 569 00:21:18,574 --> 00:21:21,564 What I've seen, what I've seen before. 570 00:21:21,564 --> 00:21:23,134 We've heard so far from 571 00:21:23,134 --> 00:21:24,709 those of us physicians who are 572 00:21:24,709 --> 00:21:26,089 working in this space and trying to help with 573 00:21:26,089 --> 00:21:28,580 this base. A lot of us are. 574 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:29,270 Okay. 575 00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:31,400 Let's just break it down. Me personally, 576 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,639 when I've talked to some of 577 00:21:32,639 --> 00:21:34,159 my other switches and 578 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:34,970 the struggle who are trying 579 00:21:34,970 --> 00:21:36,920 to make sure that patients are safe 580 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,329 when they come here from Texas. 581 00:21:38,329 --> 00:21:38,990 That's a perfect place. 582 00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:40,520 That's what I'm doing is 583 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,990 I'm trying to give people 584 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:43,460 who don't know how to 585 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:45,575 use our language, like our colloquium. 586 00:21:45,575 --> 00:21:47,329 I'm trying to teach them how to be able to 587 00:21:47,329 --> 00:21:48,199 tell other people we know 588 00:21:48,199 --> 00:21:49,369 key to hold us close to your chest. 589 00:21:49,369 --> 00:21:50,989 So luckily, 590 00:21:50,989 --> 00:21:52,490 if you think of specifically protects us, 591 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:53,959 there are a lot of people in Texas. 592 00:21:53,959 --> 00:21:55,940 We have to have family here in Oregon. 593 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:57,575 So it gives me a nice easy pathway. 594 00:21:57,575 --> 00:21:58,505 They can just be gone to visit 595 00:21:58,505 --> 00:21:59,705 a friend and her cousin 596 00:21:59,705 --> 00:22:02,270 and keeping the peace of people. 597 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:02,899 So why did you go to 598 00:22:02,899 --> 00:22:03,904 Oregon and blah, blah, blah. 599 00:22:03,904 --> 00:22:04,790 I just want to go see my case. 600 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:05,824 I totally see my cousin. 601 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:07,039 Hard stop. 602 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,569 So it's a lot of 603 00:22:08,569 --> 00:22:09,800 times I feel like it's the people within 604 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,849 a community having to teach 605 00:22:10,849 --> 00:22:12,289 those who don't look like us how to 606 00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:14,555 give people the correct language that 607 00:22:14,555 --> 00:22:15,755 while their counseling 608 00:22:15,755 --> 00:22:17,045 their patients afterwards. 609 00:22:17,045 --> 00:22:18,199 Even if even if certain things like, 610 00:22:18,199 --> 00:22:18,815 you know, if you have, 611 00:22:18,815 --> 00:22:20,285 if you have complications, 612 00:22:20,285 --> 00:22:22,369 Here's what you do. You have to warn them. 613 00:22:22,369 --> 00:22:23,990 If you have complications, you can't tell 614 00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:25,654 people at home what happened, 615 00:22:25,654 --> 00:22:27,125 what happened, and why you have the location. 616 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,074 You just have to say, well, you know, 617 00:22:29,074 --> 00:22:31,145 I was with my cousin, blah, blah. 618 00:22:31,145 --> 00:22:32,165 I just need to call and make sure, 619 00:22:32,165 --> 00:22:33,289 you know that I just have to 620 00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:34,489 call and make sure I check on my cousin, 621 00:22:34,489 --> 00:22:35,629 make sure my cousins okay. 622 00:22:35,629 --> 00:22:37,189 Like lilies having to give people 623 00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,394 that language so far 624 00:22:39,394 --> 00:22:41,239 because we've had on this little pipeline. 625 00:22:41,239 --> 00:22:43,160 So far there hasn't been any issue, 626 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,795 and we're lucky that some of 627 00:22:44,795 --> 00:22:46,879 the Attorney General's in some of 628 00:22:46,879 --> 00:22:48,604 these states are refusing to 629 00:22:48,604 --> 00:22:50,164 persecute or tried to 630 00:22:50,164 --> 00:22:51,784 proceed or pushed it, pushed the cases. 631 00:22:51,784 --> 00:22:53,750 And that's what's been coming out of this. 632 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,045 Is that a lot of Attorney General's to stay 633 00:22:55,045 --> 00:22:57,019 general's estate attorneys who are 634 00:22:57,019 --> 00:22:58,190 saying they're not going to try it out 635 00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:59,450 to prosecute these cases. 636 00:22:59,450 --> 00:23:00,259 But really, I think that 637 00:23:00,259 --> 00:23:01,519 the biggest issues we have to 638 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:04,129 really learn or teach 639 00:23:04,129 --> 00:23:05,990 people who don't know better how 640 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:08,479 to teach their patients the correct way 641 00:23:08,479 --> 00:23:10,610 to discuss yet not 642 00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:11,839 discuss what they were 643 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:12,904 doing in order to stay safe. 644 00:23:12,904 --> 00:23:14,029 Because in the day is when 645 00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:15,349 those things were the skills of 646 00:23:15,349 --> 00:23:16,789 black and brown men to keep things holster 647 00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:19,349 our chest is one that is going to save us. 648 00:23:20,590 --> 00:23:23,479 Yeah, this for me, 649 00:23:23,479 --> 00:23:26,434 really brought up a question of HIPAA. 650 00:23:26,434 --> 00:23:31,069 Like how do you how do you get access to 651 00:23:31,069 --> 00:23:33,664 people's medical information when there's 652 00:23:33,664 --> 00:23:35,690 supposedly protection 653 00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:37,684 of our medical information. 654 00:23:37,684 --> 00:23:39,739 So this really raises 655 00:23:39,739 --> 00:23:41,509 that question and I don't know 656 00:23:41,509 --> 00:23:43,340 if anybody anybody here 657 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:45,380 today knows more about this, 658 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:47,675 but i'm I'm here. 659 00:23:47,675 --> 00:23:49,235 You know, I've heard 660 00:23:49,235 --> 00:23:50,510 I can't remember which lawyer, 661 00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:53,120 but a lawyer lawyers opinion 662 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,895 was actually that those laws aren't legal, 663 00:23:55,895 --> 00:23:58,474 that you can't track people down. 664 00:23:58,474 --> 00:24:00,170 Sorry, not that HIPAA is illegal, 665 00:24:00,170 --> 00:24:02,120 but that the laws, 666 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,980 this bounty hunter Hunter law, 667 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:06,050 basically this law that 668 00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:08,150 you can track people down, trace, Oh, 669 00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:09,919 you received this medical procedure in 670 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,799 another state that that's not legal. 671 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:14,630 People can go to Mexico to go 672 00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:16,670 get a medical procedure. 673 00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:17,900 People can go anywhere they want 674 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:19,144 to get a medical to do, 675 00:24:19,144 --> 00:24:20,450 do what they want to do with their own 676 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:22,939 bodies for health care. 677 00:24:22,939 --> 00:24:24,935 And so this really led 678 00:24:24,935 --> 00:24:26,839 the lens the question of like, 679 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:28,579 how is that, How is that legal? 680 00:24:28,579 --> 00:24:30,080 How's that legal with HIPAA? 681 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,610 Well, because with HIPAA, 682 00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:32,779 No, it's not legal. 683 00:24:32,779 --> 00:24:34,010 But they're not going through 684 00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:36,095 HIPAA laws or to rat on people. 685 00:24:36,095 --> 00:24:37,820 They're basically people saying, 686 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:39,259 Well you look different, 687 00:24:39,259 --> 00:24:40,415 therefore you are pregnant 688 00:24:40,415 --> 00:24:41,555 and then you went out of town. 689 00:24:41,555 --> 00:24:42,859 It's just based on suspicion, 690 00:24:42,859 --> 00:24:44,465 not actually based on a medical history, 691 00:24:44,465 --> 00:24:45,320 and that's part of the problem. 692 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:45,949 And there were a couple 693 00:24:45,949 --> 00:24:47,569 of actual federal judges 694 00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:49,430 who tried to strike that part down. 695 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:51,470 But ultimately in Texas specifically, 696 00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:52,789 they upheld that portion of it, 697 00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:54,589 the bounty hunter portion, and now slowly but 698 00:24:54,589 --> 00:24:56,690 surely make his way to Supreme the SCOTUS. 699 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:57,470 So we know how it's going 700 00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:59,339 to end up in Scotus. 701 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:04,399 But the other, the people who are 702 00:25:04,399 --> 00:25:05,570 in the hospital hoping you will not 703 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:07,115 always have people who are on your side. 704 00:25:07,115 --> 00:25:08,299 And so the concern the lavas 705 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:09,830 those positions have is we're concerned 706 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:11,375 about the nurses or 707 00:25:11,375 --> 00:25:13,145 texts or other people Narcan us out. 708 00:25:13,145 --> 00:25:14,944 And I have a personal experience with that. 709 00:25:14,944 --> 00:25:16,490 My first couple years being here 710 00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:18,440 in Oregon, taking care of a patient, 711 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,609 having a scrub nurse 712 00:25:19,609 --> 00:25:20,750 decide that I was 713 00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:22,219 performing a termination on a patient? 714 00:25:22,219 --> 00:25:23,630 I wasn't, but she decided 715 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:25,129 I was and walked out 716 00:25:25,129 --> 00:25:26,239 our views to help me then told 717 00:25:26,239 --> 00:25:28,355 everybody that that's what I was doing. 718 00:25:28,355 --> 00:25:30,304 So with that experience, 719 00:25:30,304 --> 00:25:31,609 I know this happens. 720 00:25:31,609 --> 00:25:34,010 I know that some person will get 721 00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:35,029 some judgmental book up there 722 00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:37,174 behind and go and say something. 723 00:25:37,174 --> 00:25:39,005 And so really it's, 724 00:25:39,005 --> 00:25:41,629 it goes back to people 725 00:25:41,629 --> 00:25:43,024 learning how to document stuff 726 00:25:43,024 --> 00:25:44,630 in a way that's safe for other people. 727 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:47,929 And then us Queenie worker, physician, 728 00:25:47,929 --> 00:25:49,010 nurse would ever really 729 00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:50,089 talking about the language that 730 00:25:50,089 --> 00:25:51,020 we have to use for 731 00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:52,834 people to protect themselves. 732 00:25:52,834 --> 00:25:53,674 Yeah. 733 00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:55,234 Thank you for bringing that up, Dr. Heller 734 00:25:55,234 --> 00:25:56,930 because it reminds me of somebody 735 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:58,385 very close to me 736 00:25:58,385 --> 00:26:02,524 who had an abortion in the eighties, 737 00:26:02,524 --> 00:26:06,319 here in Portland at an abortion clinic. 738 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:09,499 But the person that was assisting, 739 00:26:09,499 --> 00:26:11,854 like the assistant to the doctor, 740 00:26:11,854 --> 00:26:14,570 was actually there to 741 00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:15,919 dissuade people right before 742 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:17,360 the abortion and do it. 743 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,415 And this person that 744 00:26:19,415 --> 00:26:21,289 I know that went through this right before 745 00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:22,759 the abortion had this person in 746 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,429 their ear by their bed telling 747 00:26:25,429 --> 00:26:27,200 them judging them for their choice 748 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,459 and trying to convince 749 00:26:28,459 --> 00:26:29,970 them not to make that choice, 750 00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:31,969 right in the last, last 751 00:26:31,969 --> 00:26:35,795 minutes or however long before the procedure. 752 00:26:35,795 --> 00:26:40,459 And so it makes me think about like what, 753 00:26:40,459 --> 00:26:42,200 what, what people can do, 754 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,580 individuals can do if they 755 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:45,140 are choosing to receive an abortion, 756 00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:46,159 to just make sure that they are 757 00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:48,079 protecting their selves 758 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:49,609 as well with how much information 759 00:26:49,609 --> 00:26:51,275 they share these people. 760 00:26:51,275 --> 00:26:53,270 And to be aware that there is 761 00:26:53,270 --> 00:26:54,649 a possibility that there are 762 00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:57,199 providers that are actually not. 763 00:26:57,199 --> 00:26:59,899 There are people that are working in 764 00:26:59,899 --> 00:27:04,699 these clinics that may not be actual, 765 00:27:04,699 --> 00:27:07,834 they may be actually not in support of 766 00:27:07,834 --> 00:27:09,410 somebody's right to access 767 00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:12,230 abortion and not supportive of that. 768 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:13,970 So what can we 769 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:17,089 do to help individuals like feel 770 00:27:17,089 --> 00:27:20,509 protected and be prepared 771 00:27:20,509 --> 00:27:22,494 around that possibility to 772 00:27:22,494 --> 00:27:24,289 protect their own personal information. 773 00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:26,300 Like be careful about sharing more than 774 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:27,650 the necessary information when 775 00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:29,479 you receive these services. 776 00:27:29,479 --> 00:27:32,729 In case there are people that have other 777 00:27:32,729 --> 00:27:34,630 Other agendas. 778 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:36,910 I couldn't even imagine being in 779 00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:38,589 that particular circumstance you just 780 00:27:38,589 --> 00:27:39,550 described as being in 781 00:27:39,550 --> 00:27:41,245 a very vulnerable moment 782 00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:43,750 in your life and having 783 00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:45,729 someone in your ear trying to dissuade 784 00:27:45,729 --> 00:27:47,680 you from something that's 785 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,059 already a tough decision to make. 786 00:27:49,059 --> 00:27:53,229 And wow, I do recall 787 00:27:53,229 --> 00:27:55,839 when someone used to get pregnant back in 788 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:57,940 the day and they 789 00:27:57,940 --> 00:28:00,039 go down south to visit family. 790 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,550 I didn't remember that phrase to come back at 791 00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:05,259 the end of the summer and come back to 792 00:28:05,259 --> 00:28:05,799 school and it's 793 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:07,360 completely different situation. 794 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,449 I do I do recall that. 795 00:28:10,449 --> 00:28:13,795 I think again, black woman R&D, 796 00:28:13,795 --> 00:28:18,274 unique position to lead 797 00:28:18,274 --> 00:28:20,480 everyone else through this primarily 798 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,790 because you've just had to survive. 799 00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:24,440 You just had to survive 800 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,855 these unrealistic 801 00:28:26,855 --> 00:28:30,575 and just terrible circumstances. 802 00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:33,065 Again, on a daily basis. 803 00:28:33,065 --> 00:28:35,014 Unfortunately, 804 00:28:35,014 --> 00:28:36,679 historically it's been showing you 805 00:28:36,679 --> 00:28:38,240 will never be credited 806 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,739 for the work that you're doing. 807 00:28:39,739 --> 00:28:41,960 You'll never be properly credited for leading 808 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,250 us through all 809 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:44,510 of these different circumstances. 810 00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:45,740 But here we are again, 811 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:47,285 what are some of the things 812 00:28:47,285 --> 00:28:50,569 that other members of our community can do? 813 00:28:50,569 --> 00:28:51,619 What are some of the ways that 814 00:28:51,619 --> 00:28:53,209 we can get involved 815 00:28:53,209 --> 00:28:57,724 in helping helping us make it through this. 816 00:28:57,724 --> 00:28:59,599 So I don't want to take over, 817 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,789 but I think I think first of all, 818 00:29:01,789 --> 00:29:03,215 it's important for us to tell the truth. 819 00:29:03,215 --> 00:29:05,105 I think that we have to, 820 00:29:05,105 --> 00:29:06,619 in our community 821 00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:08,014 specifically is some churches. 822 00:29:08,014 --> 00:29:09,469 They're very anti-abortion, 823 00:29:09,469 --> 00:29:10,309 anti contraception. 824 00:29:10,309 --> 00:29:11,060 So they've pushed people 825 00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:12,499 towards pregnancy resource centers. 826 00:29:12,499 --> 00:29:13,880 Well, pregnancy resource centers are not 827 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,290 actually a resource for pregnancy. 828 00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:16,850 They are very anti-abortion. 829 00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:19,010 There's a lot of lies and 830 00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:21,875 propaganda that are said at these clinics. 831 00:29:21,875 --> 00:29:22,714 I think the first thing 832 00:29:22,714 --> 00:29:23,750 that we need to do is if we 833 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:24,560 have a sister who 834 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,819 says they went to Wendy's clinics, 835 00:29:25,819 --> 00:29:26,989 we tell them we tell them 836 00:29:26,989 --> 00:29:28,280 the truth about what these clinics are. 837 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,585 They are not helping us. 838 00:29:29,585 --> 00:29:31,190 I think also we have to dispel 839 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:33,484 a lot of myths about contraception. 840 00:29:33,484 --> 00:29:35,779 I feel like we were talking earlier 841 00:29:35,779 --> 00:29:38,630 about what we can 842 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:39,770 do early on as we see 843 00:29:39,770 --> 00:29:41,015 our rights being taken away. 844 00:29:41,015 --> 00:29:42,619 Well, what I've been doing since I 845 00:29:42,619 --> 00:29:44,539 was a resident is really talking about 846 00:29:44,539 --> 00:29:45,319 really good 847 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:46,939 long-acting reversible contraception 848 00:29:46,939 --> 00:29:47,900 and trying to break a lot of 849 00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:48,925 myths and our community. 850 00:29:48,925 --> 00:29:51,065 So probably so some based on history, 851 00:29:51,065 --> 00:29:52,910 but so that we know what is 852 00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:55,175 safe and what is not saved until it is. 853 00:29:55,175 --> 00:29:57,830 Knowing that IUDs are great in it, 854 00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:59,239 which is important who puts it in and 855 00:29:59,239 --> 00:30:01,160 birth control pills are great. 856 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,930 And if you take them and stay away 857 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:04,040 from Depo because they will make, 858 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,090 they will make you gain weight. 859 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:06,845 But the good, the bad, 860 00:30:06,845 --> 00:30:08,375 the ugly about everything. 861 00:30:08,375 --> 00:30:09,590 Because if you more information, 862 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:11,120 we get good, bad or ugly, 863 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,259 better decision we can make. 864 00:30:12,259 --> 00:30:13,669 But the problem that I see 865 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:15,170 is that a lot of times as black woman, 866 00:30:15,170 --> 00:30:16,849 we're not educated to the same degree 867 00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:18,545 about what all of our choices are. 868 00:30:18,545 --> 00:30:19,715 Contraception wise, 869 00:30:19,715 --> 00:30:21,109 doing the rhythm method, 870 00:30:21,109 --> 00:30:22,099 which does work for some people, 871 00:30:22,099 --> 00:30:23,615 doing pull out method for some people, 872 00:30:23,615 --> 00:30:25,310 we have to be really honest 873 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:26,960 and really work towards. 874 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,055 Since most of us we are, 875 00:30:28,055 --> 00:30:28,730 this is our community, 876 00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:29,779 so we know what our myths are, 877 00:30:29,779 --> 00:30:31,100 we know what our misconceptions are. 878 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,239 We have to do a better job of 879 00:30:32,239 --> 00:30:33,649 talking to that I think is 880 00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:34,820 really important that we make 881 00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:36,409 sure that we talk to the partner. 882 00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:37,745 A lot of black men 883 00:30:37,745 --> 00:30:39,259 have this community still have a lot 884 00:30:39,259 --> 00:30:40,309 of misconceptions, 885 00:30:40,309 --> 00:30:42,260 misunderstandings, flat-out, 886 00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:43,790 lack of knowledge regarding 887 00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:45,950 contraception, what pregnancy is, 888 00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:47,210 the fact that every single time 889 00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:47,929 we'll make is pregnant, 890 00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:49,010 she has a 5050 chance 891 00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:49,820 of getting out of it alive. 892 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:50,389 It's really not that 893 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:51,319 much better than it was a 894 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:52,399 100 years ago when you 895 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:53,854 think about especially those of us of color, 896 00:30:53,854 --> 00:30:55,100 I think that the more that we have 897 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,300 these discussions and we bring 898 00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,159 the entire family in the into 899 00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,245 the into that discussion, 900 00:31:00,245 --> 00:31:02,120 the more that we can protect ourselves. 901 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,080 A long run. 902 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,609 I took that. 903 00:31:04,609 --> 00:31:06,229 Oh, go ahead. I was 904 00:31:06,229 --> 00:31:07,880 just gonna say one thing about 905 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,950 centers because I got 906 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:12,830 a little data point that here in Oregon, 907 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:14,390 come on with the data, we need 908 00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:16,309 to have a little date, I've a little data. 909 00:31:16,309 --> 00:31:18,020 So here in Oregon, 910 00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:20,105 crisis pregnancy centers outnumber 911 00:31:20,105 --> 00:31:23,450 abortion clinics three-to-one. 912 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:26,750 So there are 38 crisis pregnancy centers 913 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:27,949 and I don't know how much, 914 00:31:27,949 --> 00:31:29,329 how many abortion clinics, 915 00:31:29,329 --> 00:31:31,489 but there's abortion clinics only 916 00:31:31,489 --> 00:31:34,190 exist in eight counties in Oregon. 917 00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:38,510 There are no or abortion providers east of 918 00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:43,189 bend and only one abortion provider in bend. 919 00:31:43,189 --> 00:31:44,509 And then everything else is along 920 00:31:44,509 --> 00:31:45,905 the I5 corridor. 921 00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:48,079 So most of the geographic region 922 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:49,400 of Oregon doesn't really 923 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,719 have access, geographic access. 924 00:31:53,719 --> 00:31:55,759 But they do have geographic access 925 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,070 to crisis pregnancy centers, 926 00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:00,319 which like I said, on average, 927 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:01,879 they outnumber abortion clinics 928 00:32:01,879 --> 00:32:03,544 three-to-one in this state. 929 00:32:03,544 --> 00:32:04,849 I think that's a helpful point, 930 00:32:04,849 --> 00:32:06,379 both it Dr. Heller 931 00:32:06,379 --> 00:32:07,459 and it goes to the raised and I 932 00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:08,779 think a part of 933 00:32:08,779 --> 00:32:10,279 a connection to that could be, 934 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,670 that could be, but I'm a community-based. 935 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:16,370 I I started my local career 936 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:17,404 in terms of my work, 937 00:32:17,404 --> 00:32:18,620 I'm a community grounded, 938 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:20,329 community-based sexuality educator. 939 00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:22,144 Right. So part of my work 940 00:32:22,144 --> 00:32:24,589 was making sure that I was in my community, 941 00:32:24,589 --> 00:32:27,394 talking to my folks, my community members. 942 00:32:27,394 --> 00:32:29,989 I was in regional centers 943 00:32:29,989 --> 00:32:31,355 and houses of faith 944 00:32:31,355 --> 00:32:32,800 when they would let me in. 945 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,759 Sometimes I was told I couldn't be in there. 946 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,740 I was called a Harland and people were like, 947 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:37,669 if your grandma my heard 948 00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:39,049 you and I'll be like You 949 00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:40,309 must not have known her because she would 950 00:32:40,309 --> 00:32:41,704 have said something about what you just said. 951 00:32:41,704 --> 00:32:43,144 Like, you know, we had to go through that. 952 00:32:43,144 --> 00:32:45,800 But I think it's important to note that we 953 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,880 also need to be clear about 954 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,289 how we're getting this information, 955 00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:49,805 who is sharing it with us. 956 00:32:49,805 --> 00:32:51,949 I pride myself on being able to provide 957 00:32:51,949 --> 00:32:53,360 accurate information, 958 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,099 medically accurate, up-to-date, 959 00:32:55,099 --> 00:32:57,529 and also culturally honoree and reflective 960 00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:58,969 information about how we 961 00:32:58,969 --> 00:32:59,299 are going to have 962 00:32:59,299 --> 00:33:00,469 the conversations about sex. 963 00:33:00,469 --> 00:33:01,639 How are we going to have the conversations 964 00:33:01,639 --> 00:33:03,530 about negotiation and communication? 965 00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:03,919 How are we going to 966 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:04,820 have the conversation about 967 00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:06,800 body autonomy and respect? 968 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,880 How we're going to have the conversation 969 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,244 about what you do when you don't like. 970 00:33:09,244 --> 00:33:10,459 All of these things are part of 971 00:33:10,459 --> 00:33:11,630 reproductive justice, right? 972 00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:12,679 Learning how to navigate and 973 00:33:12,679 --> 00:33:15,230 negotiate and having these conversations, 974 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,300 making sure that people feel 975 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:19,579 you start to hello, oh my goodness. 976 00:33:19,579 --> 00:33:20,720 How to have 977 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,249 these conversations about what we're 978 00:33:22,249 --> 00:33:23,419 gonna do in shared space 979 00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:24,230 with each other, right? 980 00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:27,139 Because it, having access 981 00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:28,864 to abortion care is part 982 00:33:28,864 --> 00:33:30,800 of one small piece of 983 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,090 the whole of 984 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:33,260 reproductive health services 985 00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:34,414 and reproductive rights. 986 00:33:34,414 --> 00:33:36,170 So it's important to talk about this 987 00:33:36,170 --> 00:33:38,705 because it's unnecessary discussion. 988 00:33:38,705 --> 00:33:40,220 And at the same time 989 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:41,630 it's a discussion we need to have about 990 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:43,160 how we are going to be in relationship with 991 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,109 each other. What does that mean? 992 00:33:45,109 --> 00:33:46,310 If we need support, that 993 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:47,630 means that someone may need to drive us, 994 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:48,815 that someone needs to be present 995 00:33:48,815 --> 00:33:50,299 for the aftercare process, 996 00:33:50,299 --> 00:33:51,980 that someone needs to be present to sit with 997 00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:53,945 us in the rooms, wherever we're going. 998 00:33:53,945 --> 00:33:55,219 That someone needs to be able to 999 00:33:55,219 --> 00:33:56,795 walk with us and be protectionist, 1000 00:33:56,795 --> 00:33:57,889 be protection because there 1001 00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:58,879 are gonna be fools out here. 1002 00:33:58,879 --> 00:33:59,479 We're going to try to put 1003 00:33:59,479 --> 00:34:00,514 their hands up people. 1004 00:34:00,514 --> 00:34:02,030 So it's like there are different ways that we 1005 00:34:02,030 --> 00:34:03,799 can engage in conversation 1006 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:05,749 about what does it look like to show 1007 00:34:05,749 --> 00:34:07,490 up and be present and to 1008 00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:10,190 also be quiet in the moment of making 1009 00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:11,750 these decisions and then moving forward in 1010 00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:12,859 the process because there are multiple 1011 00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:14,150 steps in this process. 1012 00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:15,559 So even if you don't 1013 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,300 necessarily agree 1014 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:18,740 with the decision that a person makes it, 1015 00:34:18,740 --> 00:34:19,370 they've asked you for 1016 00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:20,599 support and you've committed to it, 1017 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:21,619 show up and be 1018 00:34:21,619 --> 00:34:22,940 quiet and 1019 00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:24,320 support the person through the process, 1020 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,499 right? 1021 00:34:24,499 --> 00:34:24,980 Because it's not 1022 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:25,999 the decision that you've made, 1023 00:34:25,999 --> 00:34:27,920 your honoring the decision that the person 1024 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,230 has made about what's necessary for them. 1025 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:32,660 So I feel like those are also components 1026 00:34:32,660 --> 00:34:33,770 of the conversation that 1027 00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:36,079 are, that are necessary. 1028 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,965 I think also in support of that, 1029 00:34:39,965 --> 00:34:43,610 the bulk of people who have 1030 00:34:43,610 --> 00:34:48,395 abortions may have children already and, 1031 00:34:48,395 --> 00:34:50,690 and may go on to have children. 1032 00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:52,174 And so they are making 1033 00:34:52,174 --> 00:34:54,200 the decision that is best for them in 1034 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,789 that moment because they 1035 00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:58,295 know what it is to live that life. 1036 00:34:58,295 --> 00:35:02,509 And I remember listening 1037 00:35:02,509 --> 00:35:07,489 to a doctor say to a group that there is no, 1038 00:35:07,489 --> 00:35:09,395 you don't need to justify 1039 00:35:09,395 --> 00:35:11,764 why you need an abortion. 1040 00:35:11,764 --> 00:35:13,385 If you need an abortion, 1041 00:35:13,385 --> 00:35:15,540 you need an abortion. 1042 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:20,720 And I think when we bodily autonomy, 1043 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,130 as much as in the US, 1044 00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:28,710 we talk about our individuality 1045 00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:32,425 around sex and sexuality. 1046 00:35:32,425 --> 00:35:34,179 We want to control people. 1047 00:35:34,179 --> 00:35:36,339 And we want to control people, 1048 00:35:36,339 --> 00:35:38,770 we want to control populations. 1049 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:42,070 And so for every time 1050 00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:47,364 that black people and people of color say, 1051 00:35:47,364 --> 00:35:50,334 this is how I want to live my life. 1052 00:35:50,334 --> 00:35:56,230 That is, that is a democratic value, right? 1053 00:35:56,230 --> 00:36:00,864 And so, um, you said controlling populations. 1054 00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:03,220 I am old enough to 1055 00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:05,920 remember the conspiracy theories we dealt 1056 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,530 with pre 2000s where he talked about 1057 00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:10,480 population control and they 1058 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,349 tried to control this 1059 00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:12,330 and all that good stuff. 1060 00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:15,559 I think back then, it 1061 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:16,639 was flipped that they were 1062 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:18,500 trying to lower the population. 1063 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:20,540 Not understanding our relationship with 1064 00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:23,269 capitalism needs to increase the population. 1065 00:36:23,269 --> 00:36:26,105 And how this plays a factor. 1066 00:36:26,105 --> 00:36:28,070 That's all something. 1067 00:36:28,070 --> 00:36:29,915 I think it was late last week 1068 00:36:29,915 --> 00:36:31,639 or earlier this week. 1069 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,550 A Utah republican talking 1070 00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:36,830 about women need to 1071 00:36:36,830 --> 00:36:39,170 control their semen intake. 1072 00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:41,330 And how does it 1073 00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:44,970 feel having done the work that you've done? 1074 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,290 And then you have people 1075 00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:49,609 in leadership that are completely 1076 00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:52,700 divorced from science and reality that 1077 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,835 are lean their constituents 1078 00:36:55,835 --> 00:36:57,844 down the road to just parallel. 1079 00:36:57,844 --> 00:36:59,509 I mean, how does that, 1080 00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:01,324 how frustrating is that? 1081 00:37:01,324 --> 00:37:02,119 To know that you're 1082 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:03,680 actually out here trying to 1083 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,169 get the work done, save people's lives. 1084 00:37:06,169 --> 00:37:08,089 And then people in leadership and 1085 00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:10,879 actual leadership that citizens 1086 00:37:10,879 --> 00:37:12,934 should be counting on to help them. 1087 00:37:12,934 --> 00:37:14,615 Or saying things like this. 1088 00:37:14,615 --> 00:37:16,399 White supremacist, capitalist 1089 00:37:16,399 --> 00:37:17,434 heteropatriarchy. 1090 00:37:17,434 --> 00:37:18,604 That's what that is. 1091 00:37:18,604 --> 00:37:20,990 Absolutely. Because the issue 1092 00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:22,069 is not about black bodies. 1093 00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:23,269 They could care less if we die. 1094 00:37:23,269 --> 00:37:25,145 The issue is the browning of America, 1095 00:37:25,145 --> 00:37:26,779 they want more white gloves. 1096 00:37:26,779 --> 00:37:29,375 And that woman said in Trump, she said, 1097 00:37:29,375 --> 00:37:30,515 Thank you President Trump or 1098 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:31,999 for saving white lives. 1099 00:37:31,999 --> 00:37:33,934 She said the quiet part out loud. 1100 00:37:33,934 --> 00:37:36,035 This has got nothing to do with us. 1101 00:37:36,035 --> 00:37:37,220 It's extremely frustrating, 1102 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:37,910 more so frustrated 1103 00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:39,590 because the people who are in 1104 00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:40,639 power are put there in 1105 00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:41,840 power because people who don't 1106 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,085 look like me was worried that 1107 00:37:43,085 --> 00:37:44,240 people who look like me, 1108 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,100 we're getting on par with them. 1109 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,064 They screwed themselves trying to screw us, 1110 00:37:48,064 --> 00:37:50,194 which is typical for this country. 1111 00:37:50,194 --> 00:37:52,279 And I was like the same but the Southern NO, 1112 00:37:52,279 --> 00:37:53,030 every single lady can 1113 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:55,100 agree that orgasm all day 1114 00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:56,450 long and I'm not getting 1115 00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:58,564 pregnant is not my fault. 1116 00:37:58,564 --> 00:38:00,979 It's the it's the irresponsible ejaculation. 1117 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:02,285 That's why people get pregnant. 1118 00:38:02,285 --> 00:38:03,980 So they really want to control pregnancy, 1119 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:05,659 controlling irresponsible ejaculation, 1120 00:38:05,659 --> 00:38:06,604 leave us alone. 1121 00:38:06,604 --> 00:38:08,240 Now, that part, let me just 1122 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,774 say they can continue to say stuff like that. 1123 00:38:10,774 --> 00:38:11,869 That's not who I'm working in 1124 00:38:11,869 --> 00:38:13,024 service to work for. 1125 00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:15,679 So like, I am not remotely moved. 1126 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,420 Like I think it's problematic that they're 1127 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,860 making statements like that because that's a, 1128 00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:20,719 that's an ignorant thing to say. 1129 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,100 Just period. It's just 1130 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:23,909 ignorant and stupid to me. 1131 00:38:23,909 --> 00:38:25,009 I don't know this person 1132 00:38:25,009 --> 00:38:25,820 and they might be really nice, 1133 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:27,875 but I'm not invested in it either, right? 1134 00:38:27,875 --> 00:38:30,589 And there's nothing about 1135 00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:31,610 what I'm trying to do 1136 00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:33,170 that is gonna be remotely impacted by 1137 00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:33,919 asking where people make 1138 00:38:33,919 --> 00:38:35,434 an ignorant statements like that. 1139 00:38:35,434 --> 00:38:37,370 It just reminds me 1140 00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:39,604 of who I'm working and serve as 24. 1141 00:38:39,604 --> 00:38:40,820 So it's like that's a 1142 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:42,334 good barometer for me to be like, 1143 00:38:42,334 --> 00:38:43,999 Oh, you all still out here, 1144 00:38:43,999 --> 00:38:46,639 people that you all still out here. 1145 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,774 You also out here being 25 to when he's like, 1146 00:38:49,774 --> 00:38:51,199 I can't change anything about 1147 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:52,879 what folks are doing in 1148 00:38:52,879 --> 00:38:55,070 that way was dangerous is 1149 00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:57,770 that they are continuing to promote ideas, 1150 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:59,360 seating ideas that are 1151 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,029 harmful because these are gonna be repeated. 1152 00:39:02,029 --> 00:39:03,109 But we're going to, 1153 00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:04,730 we're going to see this show up 1154 00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:06,739 like old girl standing with 1155 00:39:06,739 --> 00:39:08,525 Ivanka is daddy, right? 1156 00:39:08,525 --> 00:39:10,339 We're going to continue to see that. 1157 00:39:10,339 --> 00:39:12,710 And that's sad because it continues 1158 00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:14,330 to provide a space 1159 00:39:14,330 --> 00:39:16,115 where our work is not done. 1160 00:39:16,115 --> 00:39:18,620 Our work, my work is very 1161 00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:19,789 specific and focused and 1162 00:39:19,789 --> 00:39:20,929 I don't apologize for that, 1163 00:39:20,929 --> 00:39:23,419 but I just I told her I'd say when I hear it, 1164 00:39:23,419 --> 00:39:24,290 I appreciate you for 1165 00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:25,340 reminding me what I'm doing. 1166 00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:28,099 Good day. You don't get more than that. 1167 00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:33,364 I'm not gonna do that immediately. 1168 00:39:33,364 --> 00:39:35,910 As awesome. 1169 00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:39,799 As we wrap up. I want to first off, 1170 00:39:39,799 --> 00:39:41,599 I want to thank you all. 1171 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,549 I'm really looking forward to continuing 1172 00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:44,914 this conversation. 1173 00:39:44,914 --> 00:39:46,310 There was something mentioned a little bit 1174 00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:48,200 earlier. Yes. 1175 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,765 Batman. So one thing 1176 00:39:50,765 --> 00:39:53,630 that we really want people to 1177 00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:55,159 understand is that this 1178 00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:56,360 is about the fight for 1179 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,225 sexual and reproductive justice. 1180 00:39:59,225 --> 00:40:02,645 And that is reproductive justice 1181 00:40:02,645 --> 00:40:04,985 is the right to have a child, 1182 00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:07,144 the right not to have a child, 1183 00:40:07,144 --> 00:40:08,719 the right to parent their children. 1184 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,039 We have in a safe 1185 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:11,840 and sustainable community free 1186 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:17,029 of violence and bodily autonomy. 1187 00:40:17,029 --> 00:40:22,189 And many, many issues fall under this. 1188 00:40:22,189 --> 00:40:24,860 But really grounding that 1189 00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:29,345 this intersection of both anti-racism, 1190 00:40:29,345 --> 00:40:32,780 anti sexism is about 1191 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:34,910 sexual and reproductive justice. 1192 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:37,129 Yeah, thanks for sharing that, Dr. Hunt, 1193 00:40:37,129 --> 00:40:39,230 and also, I just want 1194 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:41,645 to save it here in Oregon. 1195 00:40:41,645 --> 00:40:44,180 When we think about moving forward. 1196 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:45,980 Reproductive Health Equity Act 1197 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:47,569 as cover a lot, 1198 00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:50,719 a lot of us, but there are still gaps. 1199 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,779 And, you know, people certain types of 1200 00:40:53,779 --> 00:40:55,669 insurance plans are not 1201 00:40:55,669 --> 00:40:57,274 guaranteed for it to be covered. 1202 00:40:57,274 --> 00:41:00,799 And then there are just because 1203 00:41:00,799 --> 00:41:02,360 you have insurance doesn't mean that you 1204 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,104 have the geographical access. 1205 00:41:05,104 --> 00:41:07,429 And then all the other things, 1206 00:41:07,429 --> 00:41:09,649 transportation and all the all the things 1207 00:41:09,649 --> 00:41:10,789 that come from there. 1208 00:41:10,789 --> 00:41:12,919 So there's a whole list of 1209 00:41:12,919 --> 00:41:15,620 things that we we need to still look 1210 00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:17,810 at in Oregon to just continue 1211 00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:21,664 to ensure that everybody has access here. 1212 00:41:21,664 --> 00:41:24,694 As well as people, you know, 1213 00:41:24,694 --> 00:41:26,119 people that come here 1214 00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,309 for health care services. 1215 00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:30,290 But there's still a lot of work to be done in 1216 00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:32,270 Oregon around expanding access. 1217 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:33,919 Anyone else want to have 1218 00:41:33,919 --> 00:41:36,845 any maybe also chime in and before we close, 1219 00:41:36,845 --> 00:41:38,809 I think to just to 1220 00:41:38,809 --> 00:41:40,999 sparkle to what was shared previously, 1221 00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:42,170 I think it's also important to note 1222 00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:43,190 and moving forward sort of 1223 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:45,290 considering as we continue 1224 00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:47,480 the conversation this past year, 1225 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,369 the Oregon legislature just approved 1226 00:41:49,369 --> 00:41:53,390 $15 million to be spent specifically on CBOs, 1227 00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:55,430 community-based organizations who expand 1228 00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:57,709 access to abortion care across the state. 1229 00:41:57,709 --> 00:42:00,950 That money is that money was as 1230 00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:05,330 being what does the word I want to use? 1231 00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:07,219 The organization that's sort 1232 00:42:07,219 --> 00:42:08,390 of holding the money and leading 1233 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:10,700 that process is sitting justice, 1234 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,920 which is the only social justice foundation 1235 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,329 in the state of Oregon. 1236 00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:15,919 The Executive Director of 1237 00:42:15,919 --> 00:42:18,860 my mother retired as the executive director. 1238 00:42:18,860 --> 00:42:20,390 I want to say in 2016, 1239 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:21,469 she might be she might be 1240 00:42:21,469 --> 00:42:22,579 mad if she hears this and be like, 1241 00:42:22,579 --> 00:42:24,725 that's not the retirement date, Sorry, mom. 1242 00:42:24,725 --> 00:42:27,919 But the current ED is an indigenous woman, 1243 00:42:27,919 --> 00:42:29,029 say Adam Edmodo, right? 1244 00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:29,870 So I think it's important 1245 00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:30,770 to understand that there 1246 00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:33,139 are opportunities for black, 1247 00:42:33,139 --> 00:42:34,670 brown and indigenous folks to continue to 1248 00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:35,450 figure out how they can 1249 00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:36,409 engage in the process. 1250 00:42:36,409 --> 00:42:37,459 This is one way, right? 1251 00:42:37,459 --> 00:42:40,939 So we have the Oregon legislature 1252 00:42:40,939 --> 00:42:43,250 made this very critical decision 1253 00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:45,890 to reinforce this is 1254 00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:47,749 a right for residents in 1255 00:42:47,749 --> 00:42:48,859 this state and to support 1256 00:42:48,859 --> 00:42:50,419 others who may be coming to our state. 1257 00:42:50,419 --> 00:42:51,649 So there's an opportunity here to 1258 00:42:51,649 --> 00:42:52,969 figure out what that looks like. 1259 00:42:52,969 --> 00:42:54,320 If we know the community-based 1260 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,580 organization that 1261 00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:57,199 deserves to be looked 1262 00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:58,819 at in terms of receiving funds, 1263 00:42:58,819 --> 00:43:00,395 if we want to help support 1264 00:43:00,395 --> 00:43:02,344 considering how the funds are disbursed, 1265 00:43:02,344 --> 00:43:02,570 right? 1266 00:43:02,570 --> 00:43:03,709 Or who wanted to volunteer 1267 00:43:03,709 --> 00:43:04,819 at these organizations where if you 1268 00:43:04,819 --> 00:43:06,935 wanted to engage and being 1269 00:43:06,935 --> 00:43:08,179 a support person to 1270 00:43:08,179 --> 00:43:09,169 these different organizations 1271 00:43:09,169 --> 00:43:10,100 across the state. 1272 00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:10,819 But I think there are 1273 00:43:10,819 --> 00:43:11,899 different ways we can do with 1274 00:43:11,899 --> 00:43:12,560 their black folks in 1275 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,850 every county in the state. 1276 00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:15,650 So it's not like we're not here. 1277 00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:16,729 We've been here. 1278 00:43:16,729 --> 00:43:18,620 There are brown folks in every county 1279 00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:19,880 and this 1280 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,694 is their home, this is their land, right? 1281 00:43:21,694 --> 00:43:23,359 The original stewards, I 1282 00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:24,500 think it's important to be mindful of 1283 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:25,610 how we can continue to have 1284 00:43:25,610 --> 00:43:27,735 a conversation pushing forward. 1285 00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:30,055 And this is just one way that we can do that. 1286 00:43:30,055 --> 00:43:32,455 If you just want to say one more thing. 1287 00:43:32,455 --> 00:43:34,944 Abortion care is health care. 1288 00:43:34,944 --> 00:43:35,680 I think that when 1289 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,045 people think abortion largely, 1290 00:43:37,045 --> 00:43:38,229 largely people think abortion 1291 00:43:38,229 --> 00:43:39,129 and thinking a little bit 1292 00:43:39,129 --> 00:43:40,329 of this little bitty teeny tiny 1293 00:43:40,329 --> 00:43:41,965 baby that's getting killed. 1294 00:43:41,965 --> 00:43:44,199 That's often not the case. 1295 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:45,174 I mean, I think that 1296 00:43:45,174 --> 00:43:46,390 sometimes people have to remember 1297 00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:47,529 that at 1298 00:43:47,529 --> 00:43:49,404 the very beginning, it's a clump of cells. 1299 00:43:49,404 --> 00:43:50,944 That clump of cells can be lethal, 1300 00:43:50,944 --> 00:43:52,329 but not in the right spot. 1301 00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:54,535 And that clump of cells can grow 1302 00:43:54,535 --> 00:43:56,770 up and can cause other things to be 1303 00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:58,450 lead that we know that domestic violence and 1304 00:43:58,450 --> 00:44:01,149 the death of a pregnant people increases 1305 00:44:01,149 --> 00:44:03,384 dramatically during a pregnancy lethality. 1306 00:44:03,384 --> 00:44:04,780 We know that postpartum depression 1307 00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:05,919 and people who don't want to get 1308 00:44:05,919 --> 00:44:09,039 pregnant can lead to psychosis and death. 1309 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,329 Lethal. We know that in some women, 1310 00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:12,380 especially when you consider the black 1311 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:13,549 america three to five times, 1312 00:44:13,549 --> 00:44:14,269 either dive in at 1313 00:44:14,269 --> 00:44:15,665 compared to our white counterparts. 1314 00:44:15,665 --> 00:44:17,765 During pregnancy, it's lethal. 1315 00:44:17,765 --> 00:44:20,089 So abortion care is 1316 00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:22,250 health care at the end the day. 1317 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:23,945 And that's that on that. 1318 00:44:23,945 --> 00:44:26,854 Thank you very much. 1319 00:44:26,854 --> 00:44:29,570 This is only the beginning listeners 1320 00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:31,399 is only the beginning of the mini-series is 1321 00:44:31,399 --> 00:44:32,990 actually a bonus episode that we 1322 00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:35,239 felt very necessary to knock 1323 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,189 out before we actually jumped into 1324 00:44:37,189 --> 00:44:38,629 the hole miniseries just because 1325 00:44:38,629 --> 00:44:41,330 of the gravity of what just happened. 1326 00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,775 Thank you all for tuning in. 1327 00:44:43,775 --> 00:44:46,339 Please. 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