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welcome,

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everyone will get started

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in just a few minutes.

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So good time to grab

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that last snack
or marriage or

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a cookie or whatever
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settle in before this
great conversation.

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Mm-hm.

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Alright, good afternoon.

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I'm Todd Rose was
still dean of

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PSU's College of Liberal
Arts and Sciences.

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And I for those of you

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joining us at this moment
for the first time,

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I just want to
say welcome to

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those of you returning

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to our virtual community.

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Welcome back. And everyone

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out there. Happy 2021.

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So we created this,

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at this moment
seriousness to be

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casual virtual community

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gathering to share and

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celebrate the research
and scholarship are of

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our faculty and
students with

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really the goal
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gain a little insight and

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perspective on what we are

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collectively experiencing
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focusing our
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issues of addressing
broadly Equity,

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Diversity, Inclusion,

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and areas of
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So wherever you are,

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whatever you're doing, we

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hope you enjoy
this conversation.

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So today we are super

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fortunate to be joined

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by faculty from

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three faculty
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gender, race, and nations
were going to help

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us discuss imagining
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So first faculty,
Kai Chang.

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Kai is a visiting scholar

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in women gender,
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His scholarship focuses on

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using queer theory
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politics and
futurity related

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to the Chinese diaspora,

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the Umbrella Movement
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and chromo normativity.

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While he was at
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he co-organized

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an alternative
futurism symposium

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to chi, that good to.

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We also have while Lita

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immigration will lead as

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an assistant professor of

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black studies
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PSU steady for PSU Center
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she co-edited a TV as

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brood science
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from social
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which wasn't really
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of visionary
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speculative fiction
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and activists,
will lead it.

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Welcome. We also
have grace doing.

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Grace is a professor

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of Indigenous
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She coined the term
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which is a movement
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literature and other
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which express indigenous

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perspectives of the past,

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present, and future
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science fiction and
related subgenres.

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Welcome all of
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be a great
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I should say,
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our panelists are from

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our school of gender,
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update the audience
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talked about this a few

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times that at this moment,

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we are just a few
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we begin reviewing
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for hiring seven
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into our school of gender,
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really begin to
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grow and celebrate
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work of scholarship and

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the research and
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our School of gender,
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So more of this
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So just a reminder
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this conversation yet lots

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of questions are
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at this moment than
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But as they do come up,
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the chat or dropped

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them in the question
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And we promise to
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many questions
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our three panelists as we

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can write r with that.

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With that, I
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welcome you to
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we're so glad you're here.

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the panelists and
thank you again.

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And what that will
let chi take it away.

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Thanks so much for
inviting me to this panel.

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Todd is surreal
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by very important scholars

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like grays and Lolita.

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I know that sounds cliched,

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but our state still say it.

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I had been
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will lead US work scenes.

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I was a graduate student
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Things also taught.

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For your introduction.

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I am Kai hanging chain.

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I use he they pronouns.

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I'm currently a
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the Department of
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and Sexuality Studies.

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My research and teaching
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and trends that these
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Hong Kong studies, and

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more recently
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is at this moment,

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a little bit about
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researching and writing on

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scenes to onset
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one alternative
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a query perspective
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its implications for

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the current moment
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a new course for the
spring term, pardon,

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for the self-promotion
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So this course is
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on queer mental
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familiar with the term,

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think of CLI via

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a separate genre of
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oceanic and
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that pose a threat
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The term was coined
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the writer and
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A well-known example
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by bloom in an interview
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the day after tomorrow?

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I 2004 movie.

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That picture is
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of the ice age.

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that directors
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Emerick married his
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but the film is a
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drama. Don't get me wrong.

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I'm not trying to
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after tomorrow
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the only clarify
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waste gender and sexuality.

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erases queerness
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makes me wonder
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loose when he
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what might a queer climate

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future look like in the
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Heteropatriarchy
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Defame focuses on

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the experience
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Paleoclimatology
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has it all and ultimately
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Instead of using
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inclusively
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Emory has written

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the heteronormative
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The swelling ocean
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The bitter cold
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Equilibrium will be
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we'll return to
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indigenous black,
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of color in such futures.

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In my research, I
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is composed by
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Unlike white, HMO normative

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directors like M
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imagine alternative
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queerness is not lost.

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My work on
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Think we're ecology.

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My reading of the
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it's refracted through
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Great college you
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challenges the
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definitions of nature and

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The work of ecologists
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has a lot to teach us
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which is behaving
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where the environment is

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acting out off
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Cynic expectation
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passive,
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college and
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reconceptualize
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and actions can perpetuate

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headroom
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we can rethink
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thoughts for a truly

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radical feature and
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humanity's limitations
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to remember that
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are polarized
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entangled with other
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query ecology as a
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alternative practices
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as our country is
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environmentally speaking
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of how I used

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the methodology
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that offers
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of adaptation and survival.

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The kind of fluid is set in

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an alternative future that

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looks really like
the present.

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It takes place
in solid water

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seeding a fictional
standing for Vancouver,

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which occupies the
ancestral homeland

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of the Okanagan Nation.

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De narrative begins in

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the year of 2041 and

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follows two cousins,
Cora inquiry Lowe,

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who have both
descendents of

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a female immigrant
labor from Hong Kong

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whose genes were
altered because of

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her exposure to toxins
in her factory work.

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Cora inquiry lose
mutated genes,

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protected them from
the title, flew.

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A communicable disease
that rampages.

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Sell water CD and

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surrounding areas
and to which man,

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a moist, respectable woman.

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De narrative action in

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the taiga flute begins
with Corey low,

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a doctor responsible
for treating a tribe

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of mutant outcasts from

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the CD with the limbs,

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she harvest film and other

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mutant species
called the starfish.

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When did last starfish
into village dies,

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career has to venture

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out to salt water
city to look

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for we placement in
that process, coeval.

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In contrast, kolra,

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pushy does not know
is her cousin,

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possessed a
mutant genes that

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render her invulnerable
to the tide of flu,

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Cora is revealed to be

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the last surviving
starfish.

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Career, tries to, to
call back to her village

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to two of them are captured

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by Chinese technocrats,

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and corn nearly dies
in the ensuing escape.

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With her quick medical
acronym, Karina,

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uploads Cora onto
a better kite,

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otherwise known as a rocket

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shaped like an octopus.

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Gorilla with implants,
diabetic kites,

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tented coal was
into applaud,

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offered title
grounding privilege.

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The tentacles eventually
take root and grow

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into a tree that bear
the foods of eyes,

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limbs, and other organs,

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of which will continue to

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live off their descendants.

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Because Covello's
genetic material

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is preserved

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by blending with

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the surrounding
trees and in sense,

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utilize salivary default to

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a lot of you here,

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but the logic behind

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allies create
ecologies important.

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The symbiosis by which

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a starfish is combined with

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a tentacle and
then grows into I

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starfish suggests

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a queer type of
regenerative logic.

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This evolutionary
story shows

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a process of Wesleyan
Studies quite

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different from the ammo off

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the survival of the fittest

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in Darwinian evolution.

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Instead of telling a
post apocalyptic story

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that prioritizes
certain species as

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the humans continuation and

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after the apocalypse lies

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fiction puts
front and center

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a story of
co-dependency, right?

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The multispecies
ecology that

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ultimately emerges
at the end of

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the story allows for

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the emergence of a lesbian,

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a socialist utopia.

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To acknowledge that
the future will be

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clear in the sense

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of completely
disruptive means,

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finding a way to
live with toxicity,

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extinction and
without the assurance

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of the open hole

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rise enough to
future scholar

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has a Davis SAS.

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And my work and

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my teaching argues that
Louisa lies Chi Phi

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acknowledges that vision of

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the future and also

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offers a clear way

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to survive without
certainty.

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So here I just want
to quickly some of

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that stories from
Queen and friends.

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Artists and Scholars
of Color ultimately

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remind us that to
combat climate change.

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Must imagine resilience
and survival clearly.

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And what I mean by
that is to think and

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act for the benefit
of the environment,

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animals and peoples within

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and beyond our
biological kin.

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Because it is only by doing

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that that we can
achieve or we

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cilia and model that
true lead draws on and

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celebrates all the
full potential

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of the Earth's
exuberance, diversity.

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So thanks so much
for listening

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in so much guy

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he gave us a lot
to talk about.

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Much appreciated. Next up,

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Lolita, taken away.

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Thanks so much tied
and thanks for

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the invitation to
be part of this.

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I'm excited to be on
such an amazing piano

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all it folks doing
such incredible work.

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So my name is wildly
to Emory Schadt and I,

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my sort of introduction,

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an entry point into
speculative fiction or

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science fiction
was as, as a nerd.

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So from, from this sort of

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Vietnam and the
consumerism of,

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of taking in worlds
created by other folks.

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But I feel like I have been

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very lucky to enter into

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a space where I get to see

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the intersections
of my scholarship,

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especially my
public scholarship,

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my own creative
work and writing,

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and my, my organizing,

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00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:39,604
activism and radical
work in the world,

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intersecting
through the lens of

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science fiction or
speculative fiction.

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And so the, the
main way that,

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that has happened is
through my anthology,

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00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:53,059
Octavia as brood
science fiction stories

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from social
justice movements,

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which Todd mentioned
in my introduction

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that I coedited with
Adrian Marie Brown.

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It came out in 2015.

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And this is sort of

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the kind encapsulation of

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a lot of the
work that we're

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doing and
certainly has sort

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of become the
tree from which

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many branches have
been growing out of

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my own and folks

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involved in Octavian
spirit, good.

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So Octavia is bird is

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20 short stories and

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two essays written
by organizers,

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activists, and
change makers.

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And so the work is
speculative fiction.

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It's ranges from horror,

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magical realism,
science fiction,

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basically any
imaginative genre,

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but is deeply rooted
in the notion of

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how do we build
new just worlds.

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And while we were very

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lucky to have some writers

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who are well-established

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science fiction writers

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like the incredible
to not a reef.

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Do Terry Busan,
even MVD burden,

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the majority of writers in

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00:19:00,769 --> 00:19:03,019
Octavian's brood had
never written fiction,

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let alone science fiction.

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00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:06,380
But Adrian and I knew they

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were the perfect people to,

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00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:10,699
to hold this space
because they were

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doing that every day

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with our organizing work.

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The promise of
Octavia as brood

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Is that all organizing
is science.

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And so every time we

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00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,715
imagine a world
without prisons,

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00:19:22,715 --> 00:19:24,080
a world without borders,

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a world without police,

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a world without oppression.

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That is science fiction

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because we've
never seen it.

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But we can't build
what we can imagine.

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And so we absolutely

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00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:36,289
need imaginative
spaces like

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science fiction that
allow us to throw

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out everything we're
told as possible.

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Because that's where
the real locus

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00:19:43,564 --> 00:19:45,665
of radical change lies.

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00:19:45,665 --> 00:19:48,440
The idea of
acceptable changes,

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really, notion of
social control.

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The boundaries of which are

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defined by the system

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you're fighting against.

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And so it becomes
incredibly important.

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Create spaces that
allow you to imagine

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beyond what the system has

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00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,344
told you is
possible change.

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Because if we can't imagine

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that, we can't build that.

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And so for me,

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this is very much, it's a,

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00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,800
it's a work of imagination,

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it's a work of
futuristic speculation.

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It is absolutely
the work of

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dreaming the
future and then

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building it into existence.

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And so that, that is
this pairing that

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these intersections
where much of

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my work for the last
few years has happened.

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And, you know, for, for me,

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I started calling

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this work visionary
fiction around.

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And I don't actually

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00:20:42,019 --> 00:20:43,010
remember what year it was,

487
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but it's it's
been awhile now.

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And so just to kind of
give you a definition,

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visionary fiction
is fantastical art

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00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:54,019
that helps us understand
and challenge

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existing power structures
and supports us in

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00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,969
imagining paths to dreaming

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and creating more
just worlds.

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00:21:01,265 --> 00:21:04,205
And so again, to me it is,

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00:21:04,205 --> 00:21:06,559
it is very much that
the point of it

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00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:09,140
is the intersection
between radical change,

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revolutionary
change, liberation,

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and imaginative creation.

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00:21:14,899 --> 00:21:17,120
And so it's not just stay,

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it's not just a sort of

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intellectual exercise.

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The goal,
continually expand

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and practice our
ability to dream

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00:21:25,969 --> 00:21:28,339
beyond what we're
told is possible for

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the express purpose of

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00:21:29,719 --> 00:21:31,940
building that
into existence.

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00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:34,009
And so I've really

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been holding on
and in these times

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00:21:35,929 --> 00:21:38,059
to the incredible framing

510
00:21:38,059 --> 00:21:40,519
by transformative justice.

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00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,949
An abolitionist,
Merriam Kaba,

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00:21:42,949 --> 00:21:45,829
who said that hope
is a discipline.

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And I, I sort of have
expanded that in

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my work to frame
imagination as a practice.

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00:21:52,189 --> 00:21:53,720
We have all grown up under

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00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,430
the same society
that tells us

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00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:57,395
the same sorts of stories,

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00:21:57,395 --> 00:22:00,619
tells us the
same mythologies

519
00:22:00,619 --> 00:22:03,889
and narratives about
our society and says,

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00:22:03,889 --> 00:22:06,935
we cannot exist without
certain things.

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00:22:06,935 --> 00:22:08,270
They are as fundamental to

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00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:09,619
our society has gravity,

523
00:22:09,619 --> 00:22:12,560
but the reality is
everything created by

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00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,009
human beings can be
dismantled and replaced.

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00:22:16,009 --> 00:22:17,899
But we first have
to be able to,

526
00:22:17,899 --> 00:22:20,090
to imagine that
as possible.

527
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:21,724
And that's why we need

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00:22:21,724 --> 00:22:24,259
imaginative spaces
like science fiction,

529
00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:27,364
which my co-editor,
Adrian Marie Brown,

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00:22:27,364 --> 00:22:30,440
talks about as an
experimentation ground

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00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,725
or a laboratory where
we can practice,

532
00:22:33,725 --> 00:22:35,810
pushing ourselves
further and

533
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:38,764
imagining beyond
where we are.

534
00:22:38,764 --> 00:22:40,819
And so I just
wanted to share

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00:22:40,819 --> 00:22:43,265
with you through this
work I've developed.

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00:22:43,265 --> 00:22:46,805
Some principles for
visionary fiction.

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00:22:46,805 --> 00:22:47,929
So because a lot of

538
00:22:47,929 --> 00:22:49,205
times folks are like, well,

539
00:22:49,205 --> 00:22:50,690
that sounds great,
but how do I

540
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:52,579
know something's
visionary fiction?

541
00:22:52,579 --> 00:22:53,959
So I'm going to
share them with you.

542
00:22:53,959 --> 00:22:55,459
I'm not going to go
through each one.

543
00:22:55,459 --> 00:22:57,739
I'm happy to talk about
them in the Q and a,

544
00:22:57,739 --> 00:22:59,149
but I want to leave
as much time as

545
00:22:59,149 --> 00:23:01,280
possible for us to
be in dialogue.

546
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,059
And I definitely want to

547
00:23:02,059 --> 00:23:03,440
hear from grace Dillon,

548
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,979
who is one of my, my
hero superhero who's,

549
00:23:06,979 --> 00:23:09,860
so I'll just be clear that

550
00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:13,565
the two main areas for
visionary fiction,

551
00:23:13,565 --> 00:23:16,040
our identity and power.

552
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,539
And so when you say,

553
00:23:17,539 --> 00:23:19,099
Is this visionary fiction,

554
00:23:19,099 --> 00:23:20,360
is this something
that can help

555
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:22,370
us imagine
different futures?

556
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:24,410
You need to look
at the identity

557
00:23:24,410 --> 00:23:26,614
in the story or
the creation,

558
00:23:26,614 --> 00:23:29,389
as well as power and
how it functions.

559
00:23:29,389 --> 00:23:30,739
And so specifically,

560
00:23:30,739 --> 00:23:32,749
visionary fiction centers,

561
00:23:32,749 --> 00:23:34,700
the leadership
and the voices,

562
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:37,070
the narratives,
the experiences

563
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:38,540
of those who are most

564
00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:40,535
marginalized and oppressed.

565
00:23:40,535 --> 00:23:41,990
And so it is,

566
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:44,269
it is absolutely
intersectional.

567
00:23:44,269 --> 00:23:45,980
It recognizes that when we

568
00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:48,110
center folks sitting at

569
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:49,700
the intersections
of identity,

570
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,529
of oppression, like queer

571
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:53,000
and trans folks of color.

572
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,410
That's when we see what

573
00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:57,680
true liberation looks
like for all of us.

574
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,539
And so it's incredibly

575
00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:00,920
important to recognize that

576
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,025
it's not just about
adding an additional,

577
00:24:04,025 --> 00:24:04,939
you know,

578
00:24:04,939 --> 00:24:08,629
sort of stereotypical
tokenized characters

579
00:24:08,629 --> 00:24:10,760
to the same story.

580
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,369
It is about fundamentally
an authentically

581
00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:16,940
shifting whose voice
we're hearing,

582
00:24:16,940 --> 00:24:18,650
whose eyes were
seeing through,

583
00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:20,599
whose narrative is being

584
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:23,000
embedded into our hearts.

585
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,159
The other piece
about identity

586
00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:26,630
that's incredibly
important.

587
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:28,595
It is fundamentally rooted

588
00:24:28,595 --> 00:24:30,230
in communities of color,

589
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:31,610
in cultures of color.

590
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:33,169
It's rooted in a,

591
00:24:33,169 --> 00:24:36,680
what I call decolonized,
non-linear dreaming.

592
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,680
It recognizes that
while we're told

593
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,675
a very colonial narrative

594
00:24:41,675 --> 00:24:43,339
about how change happens,

595
00:24:43,339 --> 00:24:44,630
that changes

596
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:46,835
a linear progression
towards greatness,

597
00:24:46,835 --> 00:24:49,729
which is the justification
for colonization,

598
00:24:49,729 --> 00:24:51,979
for genocide from
chattel slavery, right?

599
00:24:51,979 --> 00:24:53,750
The idea that, you know,

600
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:56,929
colonizers and oppressors
are bringing us

601
00:24:56,929 --> 00:24:58,669
forward and we
have to continue

602
00:24:58,669 --> 00:25:01,130
along this path
towards greatness.

603
00:25:01,130 --> 00:25:05,300
Visionary fiction
recognizes that the wisdom,

604
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,159
the ingenuity,
the creativity,

605
00:25:07,159 --> 00:25:09,080
the insights of
those who came

606
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,690
before us are not
only necessary,

607
00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:12,890
but they are part of

608
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:15,124
the dreams of the
present and the future.

609
00:25:15,124 --> 00:25:18,139
And so they are not
gone and lost to us.

610
00:25:18,139 --> 00:25:20,119
They are in
communion with us.

611
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,160
We are dreaming in tandem.

612
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,605
We are breathing
in unison with,

613
00:25:24,605 --> 00:25:26,030
with our ancestors and

614
00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:27,500
with their dreams
who came before

615
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,119
us as communities of

616
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,025
colors, cultures of color.

617
00:25:31,025 --> 00:25:33,050
So that's the
identity piece.

618
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:34,190
And then the other piece

619
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:35,824
again is about power.

620
00:25:35,824 --> 00:25:38,839
It's about recognizing
that if we actually

621
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,089
authentically change who is

622
00:25:41,089 --> 00:25:42,665
centered in these stories,

623
00:25:42,665 --> 00:25:44,629
then we make
visible systems

624
00:25:44,629 --> 00:25:46,340
of oppression that
are invisible,

625
00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:49,534
lysed in stories and
in our own world.

626
00:25:49,534 --> 00:25:52,640
And we begin to see
how these systems are

627
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,229
deeply rooted and how

628
00:25:54,229 --> 00:25:55,939
they function in tandem.

629
00:25:55,939 --> 00:25:58,935
And we begin to see
that we can't just.

630
00:25:58,935 --> 00:26:01,629
Reform or tinker
with these systems,

631
00:26:01,629 --> 00:26:03,190
we actually have to imagine

632
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:06,609
completely different
relationships to power.

633
00:26:06,609 --> 00:26:08,905
And so, you know, here
at some of these,

634
00:26:08,905 --> 00:26:11,320
these are just some
of the principles of

635
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,410
how change happens in
visionary fiction.

636
00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:18,040
That recognizing that
it is non-hierarchical,

637
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,839
that it is from
the bottom up,

638
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:21,564
that it is collective.

639
00:26:21,564 --> 00:26:23,529
And so again, I'm
happy to talk

640
00:26:23,529 --> 00:26:26,019
more about any of
these pieces later.

641
00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:28,330
And I I know that this
ties in with what

642
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:30,190
other folks are saying

643
00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:31,405
and going to be saying.

644
00:26:31,405 --> 00:26:34,750
But it is incredibly
important to recognize.

645
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,930
We have to imagine
different relationships to

646
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:39,339
each other and to

647
00:26:39,339 --> 00:26:41,429
this notion of
collective power.

648
00:26:41,429 --> 00:26:42,770
Because if we do

649
00:26:42,770 --> 00:26:45,275
not imagine ourselves
difference,

650
00:26:45,275 --> 00:26:46,820
and if we do not imagine

651
00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:48,230
different institutions,

652
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:49,415
then no matter how

653
00:26:49,415 --> 00:26:51,589
noble our goals
for the future,

654
00:26:51,589 --> 00:26:53,599
we will end up replicating

655
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,279
these same systems because

656
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,139
we have lived with
them all their lives.

657
00:26:57,139 --> 00:26:59,210
And that's, that's
the limits of

658
00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:00,485
our imagination

659
00:27:00,485 --> 00:27:03,335
unless we began
pushing beyond.

660
00:27:03,335 --> 00:27:06,770
Just the last piece is
that visionary fiction

661
00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:08,060
is not neutral and we

662
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:09,784
don't purport
to be neutral.

663
00:27:09,784 --> 00:27:11,059
I think the notion of

664
00:27:11,059 --> 00:27:12,830
neutrality or
objectivity is

665
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:14,450
a complete
fallacy and it is

666
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:16,309
one that allows systems of

667
00:27:16,309 --> 00:27:17,809
domination and
oppression to

668
00:27:17,809 --> 00:27:20,150
continue functioning
and to make

669
00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:22,819
themselves this center
while marginalizing

670
00:27:22,819 --> 00:27:24,230
those of us who
are trying to

671
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:25,984
challenge and
re-imagine them.

672
00:27:25,984 --> 00:27:29,345
So I always quote
my co-editor,

673
00:27:29,345 --> 00:27:31,220
Adrian Marie
Brown, who says,

674
00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:33,859
All art either advances or

675
00:27:33,859 --> 00:27:36,980
regresses justice and
visionary fiction.

676
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:38,420
And the creators of it are

677
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:40,549
very clear that we
are on the side of

678
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:42,019
advancing justice and we

679
00:27:42,019 --> 00:27:44,509
are very proud
of that fact.

680
00:27:44,509 --> 00:27:47,149
And I, you know, I'm,
I'm happy to talk

681
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:48,439
about this in
the real world

682
00:27:48,439 --> 00:27:49,984
because I think again,

683
00:27:49,984 --> 00:27:54,290
there are so many sort
of tying together of,

684
00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:55,909
of sort of the intellectual

685
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:57,319
exploration that creative

686
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,434
exploration and
the real world

687
00:27:59,434 --> 00:28:01,579
exploration of
visionary fiction.

688
00:28:01,579 --> 00:28:03,005
And I think we are in

689
00:28:03,005 --> 00:28:05,840
an important and unique
moment for that.

690
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,699
I think this,
this moment and

691
00:28:07,699 --> 00:28:09,994
this movement that
is challenging

692
00:28:09,994 --> 00:28:12,050
and presenting notions of

693
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:14,449
the abolition of police
and the creation of

694
00:28:14,449 --> 00:28:16,939
different systems
of justice is

695
00:28:16,939 --> 00:28:22,144
fundamentally a process
of embodying that,

696
00:28:22,144 --> 00:28:24,469
that ethos of
visionary fiction,

697
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,389
of dreaming beyond
what we're told is

698
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:29,285
possible and then
building it into reality.

699
00:28:29,285 --> 00:28:30,979
And so I just
wanted to offer

700
00:28:30,979 --> 00:28:32,975
as my last piece,

701
00:28:32,975 --> 00:28:35,300
this anthology that I

702
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,399
have been honored to
be part of that came

703
00:28:37,399 --> 00:28:39,169
out at the end of summer

704
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:41,449
called Memories
of Abolition Day.

705
00:28:41,449 --> 00:28:42,860
And it's part of a

706
00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:44,480
collaboration between
will conduct,

707
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,775
dream lab and Policy Link.

708
00:28:46,775 --> 00:28:48,709
And the goal of it was

709
00:28:48,709 --> 00:28:50,599
to bring together
a collective,

710
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:52,985
a black creators who could

711
00:28:52,985 --> 00:28:55,729
imagine an
abolitionist world.

712
00:28:55,729 --> 00:28:57,890
Because while folks were

713
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:58,609
doing

714
00:28:58,609 --> 00:29:00,890
courageous organizing
in the streets and

715
00:29:00,890 --> 00:29:02,750
protesting and
mobilizing on

716
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:04,279
so many different
levels and are

717
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:05,825
continuing to do that

718
00:29:05,825 --> 00:29:07,639
around Black Lives Matter.

719
00:29:07,639 --> 00:29:09,920
And specifically
routing in the call to

720
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,260
defend the police or
abolish the police.

721
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:16,580
We also wanted to offer
what might that look

722
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:18,395
like because there's
someone who has

723
00:29:18,395 --> 00:29:21,545
been engaged in
the practice.

724
00:29:21,545 --> 00:29:25,220
Of abolition for
well over a decade.

725
00:29:25,220 --> 00:29:26,690
It is difficult to

726
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:28,520
imagine because these
are systems we're

727
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,289
told we cannot
function without,

728
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:32,404
again, like gravity.

729
00:29:32,404 --> 00:29:34,430
But they are systems
that had been created

730
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:36,290
and created
relatively recently.

731
00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:38,869
And so we need
imaginative spaces.

732
00:29:38,869 --> 00:29:40,190
And so our goal
with memories

733
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:41,449
of Abolition Day was not

734
00:29:41,449 --> 00:29:44,195
to offer a
definitive roadmap,

735
00:29:44,195 --> 00:29:45,619
but instead to offer

736
00:29:45,619 --> 00:29:47,570
a variety of
stories that would

737
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:49,849
hopefully allow folks to

738
00:29:49,849 --> 00:29:52,489
add their own creativity,

739
00:29:52,489 --> 00:29:56,000
ingenuity, and
imagination to

740
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,784
that process individually,

741
00:29:57,784 --> 00:30:00,035
but especially
collectively.

742
00:30:00,035 --> 00:30:01,820
That's the other
piece that's so

743
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:03,904
important is that so often,

744
00:30:03,904 --> 00:30:06,289
creativity and
imagination is

745
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:08,359
framed as an intellectual,

746
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,610
an individual pursuit when

747
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:12,995
it is a community
imperative.

748
00:30:12,995 --> 00:30:14,690
And so I love

749
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:16,310
the process that we

750
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:18,350
went through for memories
of Abolition Day.

751
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,674
And I, I just wanted to
offer that to folks.

752
00:30:20,674 --> 00:30:22,369
So black writers came

753
00:30:22,369 --> 00:30:25,429
together collectively
and we imagined

754
00:30:25,429 --> 00:30:28,159
altogether a world without

755
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:29,689
prisons and without police,

756
00:30:29,689 --> 00:30:31,594
an abolitionist world.

757
00:30:31,594 --> 00:30:33,800
And that world actually
ended up spanning

758
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,484
500 years of abolition.

759
00:30:36,484 --> 00:30:37,940
Which I think is incredibly

760
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:39,049
important because it shows

761
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:42,155
abolition as a process
and a practice,

762
00:30:42,155 --> 00:30:44,179
not as a destination.

763
00:30:44,179 --> 00:30:46,099
And then once we had cloud

764
00:30:46,099 --> 00:30:47,689
collaboratively
and collectively

765
00:30:47,689 --> 00:30:49,114
imagined this world,

766
00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:50,854
we each row and created

767
00:30:50,854 --> 00:30:52,939
individually
within that world.

768
00:30:52,939 --> 00:30:54,110
Which I think is also

769
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:55,610
important to show
that there is

770
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:58,655
a space for collective
brilliance.

771
00:30:58,655 --> 00:30:59,989
And that collective
brilliance

772
00:30:59,989 --> 00:31:01,010
is strengthened by

773
00:31:01,010 --> 00:31:05,330
our own individual
genius as well.

774
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:08,870
And an amazing artist
and mirror could

775
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:10,730
our shared art that

776
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:12,709
was augmented reality art.

777
00:31:12,709 --> 00:31:13,760
So you can actually,

778
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,020
it comes at you as

779
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:17,224
long as you have
a special app.

780
00:31:17,224 --> 00:31:21,020
And it, you know, it
just really brings it to

781
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:24,889
life in many ways and to,

782
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:26,719
to be able to see

783
00:31:26,719 --> 00:31:29,914
these stories visually
as well as read them,

784
00:31:29,914 --> 00:31:31,595
I think is incredibly
compelling.

785
00:31:31,595 --> 00:31:33,469
And so if, if
anyone's interested,

786
00:31:33,469 --> 00:31:37,069
you can download it
for free from the big

787
00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:39,590
we.com slash Abolition Day

788
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:41,794
or just look up memories
of Abolition Day.

789
00:31:41,794 --> 00:31:43,849
So I wanted to
offer that both as

790
00:31:43,849 --> 00:31:45,080
an anthology that I think

791
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,404
the stories are
incredibly strong in,

792
00:31:47,404 --> 00:31:51,259
as well as a process
that organizations,

793
00:31:51,259 --> 00:31:52,474
collectives,

794
00:31:52,474 --> 00:31:54,649
classrooms can, can begin

795
00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:57,515
to think about and
replicate as well.

796
00:31:57,515 --> 00:32:00,080
And so the last thing

797
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,879
I wanted to share
was like Hi,

798
00:32:01,879 --> 00:32:04,130
just a plug my own classes.

799
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:07,505
I will be teaching an
Afro futurism class in,

800
00:32:07,505 --> 00:32:09,139
in spring as well

801
00:32:09,139 --> 00:32:10,730
through the black
studies department.

802
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:12,470
And we're going
to be engaging

803
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:14,750
in learning

804
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:16,490
about this work that
already exists,

805
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:18,935
as well as being
active participants.

806
00:32:18,935 --> 00:32:20,165
Because I think again,

807
00:32:20,165 --> 00:32:22,024
that is the
pieces that this,

808
00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:24,470
this work of
visionary fiction,

809
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:26,059
but the larger
work of sort of

810
00:32:26,059 --> 00:32:28,010
radical speculative
fiction is

811
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:30,290
not just something
to be consumed,

812
00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:32,419
it is something to
be engaged with.

813
00:32:32,419 --> 00:32:34,189
It's something to
be inspired by.

814
00:32:34,189 --> 00:32:35,674
It's something to be in

815
00:32:35,674 --> 00:32:38,450
conversation and
community with.

816
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:41,180
And so I encourage
all of you all to do

817
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:43,970
that in the
classrooms, in your,

818
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:46,324
in your community,
in your collectives,

819
00:32:46,324 --> 00:32:49,014
in And adding
in friendships,

820
00:32:49,014 --> 00:32:51,489
however you can
manifest that.

821
00:32:51,489 --> 00:32:53,719
Thank you so much.

822
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,640
Thank you so much to
go through there.

823
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,019
I'm looking forward
to the conversation.

824
00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:00,639
I think it's going
to be great today.

825
00:33:00,639 --> 00:33:03,170
So next up, grace.

826
00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:23,309
It might not be.
Okay. E101, which

827
00:33:23,309 --> 00:33:26,549
is a word in my edition
album on language,

828
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:28,439
that means I see

829
00:33:28,439 --> 00:33:30,180
the light in you rather

830
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:32,189
than just a simple hello.

831
00:33:32,189 --> 00:33:34,979
So I mean, I see
the light and you,

832
00:33:34,979 --> 00:33:37,170
and I see the
light that has

833
00:33:37,170 --> 00:33:39,900
just been given
to us by both chi

834
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:45,585
and will lead with what
I think of as these.

835
00:33:45,585 --> 00:33:48,779
Cuz I'm just an e-commerce
site, my grandma.

836
00:33:48,779 --> 00:33:51,599
But with these
younger generations

837
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:53,414
that are coming up,

838
00:33:53,414 --> 00:33:57,540
there is so much
excitement in the good,

839
00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:00,254
good work that
they are doing.

840
00:34:00,254 --> 00:34:02,879
It was fascinating
and listening

841
00:34:02,879 --> 00:34:05,339
to both of these pieces,

842
00:34:05,339 --> 00:34:08,429
I could see so much
that is going on and

843
00:34:08,429 --> 00:34:12,689
indigenous future
isms that has

844
00:34:12,689 --> 00:34:15,240
strong overlaps
and connections

845
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:17,669
with what we've
been talking about.

846
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:20,279
And it's become

847
00:34:20,279 --> 00:34:23,294
such a vast field
that in a way,

848
00:34:23,294 --> 00:34:26,010
and we did not talk
with each other,

849
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:28,754
connect with each
other and kind way.

850
00:34:28,754 --> 00:34:34,604
Uh, but I was headed
towards end digit queer.

851
00:34:34,604 --> 00:34:37,545
What it means to
be a digit queer.

852
00:34:37,545 --> 00:34:40,064
Climate Justice.

853
00:34:40,064 --> 00:34:42,615
And then lead a,

854
00:34:42,615 --> 00:34:44,729
talks about the amazing

855
00:34:44,729 --> 00:34:47,579
imagination in my language.

856
00:34:47,579 --> 00:34:51,510
Once again, the word is
and then do more on.

857
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:55,379
And the significance
of that is not just

858
00:34:55,379 --> 00:34:59,834
simply that you were
thinking or imagining,

859
00:34:59,834 --> 00:35:01,919
but that through
the process of

860
00:35:01,919 --> 00:35:04,890
that imagination and
thinking, that it,

861
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:07,980
because it comes
into being,

862
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,189
that actually exists
and comes into being.

863
00:35:11,189 --> 00:35:12,840
And I just thought

864
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,244
in light of the comments
that were just made,

865
00:35:16,244 --> 00:35:21,039
that's a beautiful
crossover connection

866
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:27,629
in terms of what has
often been thought of.

867
00:35:27,629 --> 00:35:32,339
So my interest is
pointing out that we're

868
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:34,515
working with
climate justice

869
00:35:34,515 --> 00:35:37,260
and restorative justice,

870
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:40,349
which for us as
indigenous peoples

871
00:35:40,349 --> 00:35:42,479
refers specifically

872
00:35:42,479 --> 00:35:46,110
to really for us

873
00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:48,239
just to have
our opportunity

874
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,729
to be self-determined,

875
00:35:50,729 --> 00:35:53,834
have our own sovereignty,

876
00:35:53,834 --> 00:35:57,899
and be able to
aid with others.

877
00:35:57,899 --> 00:36:02,610
And so one thing that
has become kind of

878
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:07,425
a base of Indigenous
future isms.

879
00:36:07,425 --> 00:36:10,215
Oh, and I should
probably mention that I,

880
00:36:10,215 --> 00:36:14,490
in 2012 wrote the book,
walking the clouds.

881
00:36:14,490 --> 00:36:16,364
There's a edited version.

882
00:36:16,364 --> 00:36:19,200
But what's really
important to know about

883
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,379
that these indigenous
futures and

884
00:36:22,379 --> 00:36:26,684
stories globally from
indigenous peoples

885
00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:29,265
is that each author.

886
00:36:29,265 --> 00:36:32,039
So this is somewhat
like what you

887
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,859
did well Lita with
you and Adrian.

888
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:41,439
I didn't just simply
slam their story.

889
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,619
But rather we have

890
00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:47,145
these lengthy conversations
with each other,

891
00:36:47,145 --> 00:36:52,980
with each author about
what they perceived as

892
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:54,900
Edition as science
fiction or

893
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,065
indigenous future isms and

894
00:36:58,065 --> 00:36:59,430
some of the features.

895
00:36:59,430 --> 00:37:01,470
And then that
became part of

896
00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:05,950
the blurbs for introducing
their stories.

897
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:09,329
Rate. Now we're working

898
00:37:09,329 --> 00:37:11,700
on a Routledge Handbook

899
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:16,799
of alternative future
isms with ISIL,

900
00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:20,744
lavender, TRND Taylor,
and boater Vista.

901
00:37:20,744 --> 00:37:23,415
Or we call him bodhi.

902
00:37:23,415 --> 00:37:29,305
And we're looking there
at Afro futurism.

903
00:37:29,305 --> 00:37:32,030
Effort after Cam, feature

904
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:34,924
isms, indigenous
future, isms,

905
00:37:34,924 --> 00:37:38,330
Latin next future sums,

906
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:43,489
Asian future isms,
Gulf future sums.

907
00:37:43,489 --> 00:37:47,645
And threaded throughout and

908
00:37:47,645 --> 00:37:50,090
a definite
intersectional way.

909
00:37:50,090 --> 00:37:53,269
Our queer feature
isms along

910
00:37:53,269 --> 00:37:58,565
with parentheses around
TIS, disability,

911
00:37:58,565 --> 00:38:01,880
future isms and all by,

912
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,670
by POC people or
black condition

913
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:06,200
as some people of color

914
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,435
globally from
around the world.

915
00:38:08,435 --> 00:38:12,610
And in the process of that,

916
00:38:12,610 --> 00:38:14,879
I ended up kind of going

917
00:38:14,879 --> 00:38:16,529
back to some grounding

918
00:38:16,529 --> 00:38:22,229
of not only that,

919
00:38:22,229 --> 00:38:24,990
what is very different from

920
00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:28,530
other forms of science
fiction is that,

921
00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:33,405
is this embrace of
body, soul, and mind.

922
00:38:33,405 --> 00:38:36,299
Rather than the old
cyber punk days,

923
00:38:36,299 --> 00:38:37,949
the 19 eighties where you

924
00:38:37,949 --> 00:38:39,870
were constantly
battling back and

925
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:42,974
forth about
whether the body

926
00:38:42,974 --> 00:38:47,129
should be torn away as
meat and thrown away.

927
00:38:47,129 --> 00:38:48,630
And just the mind

928
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:52,844
remain these
sorts of things.

929
00:38:52,844 --> 00:38:55,700
And so for all

930
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,775
of these alternative
future isms,

931
00:38:58,775 --> 00:39:05,435
soul or spirit,
embracing our ancestors,

932
00:39:05,435 --> 00:39:07,909
knowing that our
ancestors walk with us.

933
00:39:07,909 --> 00:39:11,540
Now. Knowing that
our ancestors

934
00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:12,829
will walk with us into

935
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:16,070
future is what in

936
00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:19,085
my language we
call cold body.

937
00:39:19,085 --> 00:39:21,800
It's a very simple term,

938
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,715
but it has a very
incredibly complex meaning.

939
00:39:25,715 --> 00:39:28,220
Cold body is

940
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:31,685
this sense of
intergenerationally.

941
00:39:31,685 --> 00:39:34,220
Not just most people

942
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:36,969
focus on
intergenerational trauma.

943
00:39:36,969 --> 00:39:40,634
Which is significant
and very important.

944
00:39:40,634 --> 00:39:43,425
But here we look at

945
00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:46,859
the intergenerational
connections

946
00:39:46,859 --> 00:39:48,599
that we're making with

947
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:52,080
each other in restoring

948
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,390
justice and having what

949
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:58,005
is called
restorative justice.

950
00:39:58,005 --> 00:40:02,430
And that also fits
very well with

951
00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:04,530
black Americans in

952
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:07,425
our United States
currently.

953
00:40:07,425 --> 00:40:10,650
And allies working on

954
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:13,109
reparative justice,
which will lead,

955
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:16,289
I know that you made
reference to that,

956
00:40:16,289 --> 00:40:19,030
that is very
important as well.

957
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:21,800
So what is
indigenous science?

958
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,750
Gregory CA hat, they,

959
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:29,404
who is much beloved
in many circles.

960
00:40:29,404 --> 00:40:33,350
Who is Tewa Pueblo
talks about

961
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:37,685
how it can be a body
of traditional,

962
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:40,744
environmental and
cultural knowledge

963
00:40:40,744 --> 00:40:44,419
unique to a group
of people that has

964
00:40:44,419 --> 00:40:47,780
served to sustain
that people with

965
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:50,675
a capital P through
generations

966
00:40:50,675 --> 00:40:54,455
of living within a
distinct bioregion.

967
00:40:54,455 --> 00:40:58,925
And as an example,
web Ashoka Rice,

968
00:40:58,925 --> 00:41:02,119
who is emission
ABE like IM,

969
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:06,364
wrote a novel called
Moon, the crusted snow.

970
00:41:06,364 --> 00:41:08,809
And it's starting to fit

971
00:41:08,809 --> 00:41:11,179
under what Kai
had informed us

972
00:41:11,179 --> 00:41:16,385
earlier about CLI five
or climate fiction.

973
00:41:16,385 --> 00:41:19,205
And we have had a lot

974
00:41:19,205 --> 00:41:22,444
of indigenous future
isms that is,

975
00:41:22,444 --> 00:41:26,495
lent itself towards
climate justice

976
00:41:26,495 --> 00:41:28,895
is what we're
interested in.

977
00:41:28,895 --> 00:41:30,890
Not just pointing out

978
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:35,720
the gizmo areas that
we are going into,

979
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,675
but as we'll leda
was talking about

980
00:41:38,675 --> 00:41:42,379
being visionary
about our futures,

981
00:41:42,379 --> 00:41:45,844
but also for us
being visionary

982
00:41:45,844 --> 00:41:49,579
about our pass and
what has worked,

983
00:41:49,579 --> 00:41:51,965
what needs to
be reinstalled.

984
00:41:51,965 --> 00:41:57,049
So in his novel, they're
completely isolated,

985
00:41:57,049 --> 00:41:59,119
cut out from all news,

986
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,520
all kind of way

987
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,695
of getting messages
in and out.

988
00:42:03,695 --> 00:42:06,814
They're inundated
by so much snow

989
00:42:06,814 --> 00:42:08,284
that they're
having a difficult

990
00:42:08,284 --> 00:42:10,010
time getting out.

991
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:15,035
And in the process of
that moment and up,

992
00:42:15,035 --> 00:42:19,024
reconnecting to the kind of

993
00:42:19,024 --> 00:42:22,009
concentric relationships

994
00:42:22,009 --> 00:42:24,769
that they were
having throughout.

995
00:42:24,769 --> 00:42:29,024
So for instance,
when will lead to,

996
00:42:29,024 --> 00:42:32,069
for instance,
brings up this,

997
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:36,180
how we have to be
anti-capitalistic,

998
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:38,819
you know, not just
anti-racist but

999
00:42:38,819 --> 00:42:41,745
anti-capitalistic to
a certain degree.

1000
00:42:41,745 --> 00:42:44,354
While I grew up with that,

1001
00:42:44,354 --> 00:42:48,824
the community I grew
up with, we traded,

1002
00:42:48,824 --> 00:42:53,745
we shared and
many of us had

1003
00:42:53,745 --> 00:42:57,404
no jobs that brought

1004
00:42:57,404 --> 00:43:00,780
in money or coinage
painting kind.

1005
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:02,684
And we did not
live that way.

1006
00:43:02,684 --> 00:43:06,029
We lived by sharing
with each other.

1007
00:43:06,029 --> 00:43:08,955
So in Wusheng rices.

1008
00:43:08,955 --> 00:43:13,949
His novel, you
have at a point

1009
00:43:13,949 --> 00:43:18,750
where things have
become so fierce,

1010
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:23,295
so cold, so many
difficulties,

1011
00:43:23,295 --> 00:43:26,189
there's a concern
of people even

1012
00:43:26,189 --> 00:43:28,334
staking a y four

1013
00:43:28,334 --> 00:43:30,810
are staying
comfortably alive.

1014
00:43:30,810 --> 00:43:33,929
And so they go back to

1015
00:43:33,929 --> 00:43:37,875
the ancestral
ways of and when,

1016
00:43:37,875 --> 00:43:39,299
when they say going back

1017
00:43:39,299 --> 00:43:40,455
to the onsets for ways,

1018
00:43:40,455 --> 00:43:41,879
this is what I
grew up with.

1019
00:43:41,879 --> 00:43:45,520
So I always say that
with a bit of a chuckle.

1020
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,460
I'm a part of the
ancestral ways now.

1021
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:58,575
But at any rate,
they go and they,

1022
00:43:58,575 --> 00:44:01,620
when they have a deer that

1023
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:05,670
has offered themselves
to them in a dream.

1024
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,474
And they are able to go and

1025
00:44:08,474 --> 00:44:11,429
share that brother deer
or that Sister Dear,

1026
00:44:11,429 --> 00:44:13,530
what they do is
they first make

1027
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:16,199
portions for the elders and

1028
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,540
make sure that
the elders are

1029
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:21,464
well taken care
of and well-fed.

1030
00:44:21,464 --> 00:44:24,299
And then it goes

1031
00:44:24,299 --> 00:44:26,835
out to the rest
of the community.

1032
00:44:26,835 --> 00:44:29,684
And There's even in

1033
00:44:29,684 --> 00:44:30,899
graphic novels and

1034
00:44:30,899 --> 00:44:32,939
moonshot three
volume three,

1035
00:44:32,939 --> 00:44:35,790
that's all on
indigenous future isms.

1036
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:38,190
There is a story
in there that

1037
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:40,214
does a similar
kind of thing.

1038
00:44:40,214 --> 00:44:43,290
And it just shows
this running thread

1039
00:44:43,290 --> 00:44:47,790
of making sure that

1040
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:51,459
you're taking care
of each other.

1041
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:56,940
Another definition of
indigenous science

1042
00:44:56,940 --> 00:45:00,060
is that it's founded
on a body of

1043
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:03,000
practical environmental
knowledge that

1044
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,309
has been learned and
transferred over

1045
00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:08,834
generations of people
through a form of

1046
00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:12,839
environmental cultural
education that

1047
00:45:12,839 --> 00:45:15,150
is unique to the people.

1048
00:45:15,150 --> 00:45:18,510
And I'm going to take
a timeout here and

1049
00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:23,504
just suggest that what
this really is is,

1050
00:45:23,504 --> 00:45:26,969
instead of being
bound to simply

1051
00:45:26,969 --> 00:45:32,865
stem Science,
Technology, Engineering,

1052
00:45:32,865 --> 00:45:36,614
every UPS mathematics, that

1053
00:45:36,614 --> 00:45:41,429
really what we have
is what again,

1054
00:45:41,429 --> 00:45:44,310
Gregory has quickly
referred to as

1055
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:47,250
a high context form.

1056
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:49,334
So science as opposed to

1057
00:45:49,334 --> 00:45:52,649
low contexts
forms a science.

1058
00:45:52,649 --> 00:45:57,585
And in the high contexts
forms a science,

1059
00:45:57,585 --> 00:46:00,600
you are integrating more of

1060
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,160
your life into
those sciences.

1061
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,560
So when you work
with sciences,

1062
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,069
you're doing it as
telling stories while

1063
00:46:11,069 --> 00:46:14,324
you're sharing with others

1064
00:46:14,324 --> 00:46:18,639
what that particular
science is.

1065
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:28,649
And The other feature
of this high context

1066
00:46:28,649 --> 00:46:34,710
is that what becomes
important in

1067
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:37,379
the way that Lena had

1068
00:46:37,379 --> 00:46:41,205
talked about the importance
of and also chi,

1069
00:46:41,205 --> 00:46:44,280
the importance of centering

1070
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,130
the community that
you were speaking

1071
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:49,499
about and that the
author or authors,

1072
00:46:49,499 --> 00:46:53,310
or 3D Emerson, designers,

1073
00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:59,835
or films, or illustrators
and graphic novels.

1074
00:46:59,835 --> 00:47:02,650
That they are all.

1075
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,909
Oops, I believe that

1076
00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:11,350
was a new comas blink out.

1077
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:16,570
That's what happens
with us elderly.

1078
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:23,040
Oh, that when culture

1079
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,185
is referenced with
environmental knowledge,

1080
00:47:28,185 --> 00:47:30,329
it's a little bit

1081
00:47:30,329 --> 00:47:32,969
stronger than some
people sense of,

1082
00:47:32,969 --> 00:47:36,044
Oh, your culture
is, is impacting.

1083
00:47:36,044 --> 00:47:38,370
Know what that
really means is

1084
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:40,950
that when we do science,

1085
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:44,174
we integrate it
with ceremony,

1086
00:47:44,174 --> 00:47:45,929
with dance,

1087
00:47:45,929 --> 00:47:51,254
ceremonial songs,
ceremonial stories.

1088
00:47:51,254 --> 00:47:53,174
Ada Zuckerman, we call that

1089
00:47:53,174 --> 00:47:55,799
my language,
sacred stories.

1090
00:47:55,799 --> 00:47:57,675
Along with geek
and docile on

1091
00:47:57,675 --> 00:48:01,364
like everyday
knowledge stories.

1092
00:48:01,364 --> 00:48:05,459
And that's what
makes the science.

1093
00:48:05,459 --> 00:48:08,265
So our science
in that sense.

1094
00:48:08,265 --> 00:48:09,569
And in doing

1095
00:48:09,569 --> 00:48:11,910
this alternative futures
and it's handbook,

1096
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:15,690
I'm seeing this
across many.

1097
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:20,070
Whether it's Afro
futurism, African futures,

1098
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:22,840
on all the things
I've listed,

1099
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:28,254
we really are
much more steam.

1100
00:48:28,254 --> 00:48:30,680
Then we are stab.

1101
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,680
And so that's part
of the high context,

1102
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,395
is that we're not
just science,

1103
00:48:36,395 --> 00:48:38,765
technology,

1104
00:48:38,765 --> 00:48:41,300
engineering, mathematics,

1105
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:42,679
what's very important,

1106
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:44,599
and I love that it's
at the center of

1107
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,705
the word is arts.

1108
00:48:47,705 --> 00:48:51,200
That we integrate our arts.

1109
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,679
And therefore,
that means that

1110
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,390
all of the future isms that

1111
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:58,309
we have been talking
about today,

1112
00:48:58,309 --> 00:49:00,755
whether it's queer
future isms,

1113
00:49:00,755 --> 00:49:03,350
visionary fiction.

1114
00:49:03,350 --> 00:49:05,869
Because I think
that's so beautiful

1115
00:49:05,869 --> 00:49:08,209
one leave it the way that

1116
00:49:08,209 --> 00:49:11,020
you've developed
that in terms of

1117
00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:13,965
actual genuine
social justice

1118
00:49:13,965 --> 00:49:16,724
with social
justice workers.

1119
00:49:16,724 --> 00:49:22,394
But all of us use
a kind of steam.

1120
00:49:22,394 --> 00:49:24,839
And as an example,

1121
00:49:24,839 --> 00:49:28,424
and going back to
Kias talk where he

1122
00:49:28,424 --> 00:49:30,000
was talking about

1123
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,940
that beautiful novel
by Louisa lie.

1124
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:36,539
And when you were

1125
00:49:36,539 --> 00:49:38,250
bringing up the
features of it,

1126
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:41,325
I thought of also
Andre Hurston,

1127
00:49:41,325 --> 00:49:45,359
who is both African
American and share key

1128
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,729
and writes her stories

1129
00:49:47,729 --> 00:49:50,369
from those kinds
of perspectives.

1130
00:49:50,369 --> 00:49:53,504
She is also queer herself.

1131
00:49:53,504 --> 00:49:56,220
And has spent her life

1132
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,190
doing plays and other kinds

1133
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:01,349
of things that
fit in with that.

1134
00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:06,240
But she has a Afro futurism

1135
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,250
and indigenous
futurism novel

1136
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:10,349
called Mind scape,

1137
00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:16,275
in which you have to
women better gay.

1138
00:50:16,275 --> 00:50:18,700
One is a native woman.

1139
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,860
I made a scientist.

1140
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:25,950
And she goes in with her.

1141
00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:29,999
African female love her.

1142
00:50:29,999 --> 00:50:36,779
And she breaks the
protocol of just slip,

1143
00:50:36,779 --> 00:50:38,790
fading in and grabbing and

1144
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:41,610
extracting a certain plant.

1145
00:50:41,610 --> 00:50:44,865
A plant that can
be both toxic

1146
00:50:44,865 --> 00:50:49,545
and parts of it non-toxic
at the same time.

1147
00:50:49,545 --> 00:50:53,579
And because she
breaks that taboo,

1148
00:50:53,579 --> 00:50:57,539
they are locked together as

1149
00:50:57,539 --> 00:51:01,900
one in a body for 70 years.

1150
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:05,065
And at first
these two loggers

1151
00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:07,629
are very happy and pleased.

1152
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:11,969
It's like those
LOD being tied

1153
00:51:11,969 --> 00:51:13,874
together in that way can

1154
00:51:13,874 --> 00:51:16,319
become questionable
from time to time.

1155
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:17,895
It grace restarting onto

1156
00:51:17,895 --> 00:51:18,959
great questions coming in.

1157
00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:19,739
I want to make sure we give

1158
00:51:19,739 --> 00:51:20,639
a little bit of time,

1159
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,230
so Yeah, no, no, no.

1160
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:23,924
I mean, I I love, I

1161
00:51:23,924 --> 00:51:26,009
love I love hearing
you tough luck.

1162
00:51:26,009 --> 00:51:27,989
Trust me, as though
I don't want to

1163
00:51:27,989 --> 00:51:30,450
make sure it's rare PSU.

1164
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:31,830
And I feel so ashamed that

1165
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:33,060
I looked at this
panel and say,

1166
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:34,679
my gosh, huh, think
how long it's

1167
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:35,445
taken for us to just

1168
00:51:35,445 --> 00:51:36,389
give this group together.

1169
00:51:36,389 --> 00:51:37,769
And so I want to make
sure when we had

1170
00:51:37,769 --> 00:51:39,464
the chance to bring the
group together that

1171
00:51:39,464 --> 00:51:40,470
the folks in the audience

1172
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:41,189
have a chance to ask

1173
00:51:41,189 --> 00:51:43,724
some questions right there

1174
00:51:43,724 --> 00:51:46,289
because that is an issue.

1175
00:51:46,289 --> 00:51:49,450
I could just keep
going and going.

1176
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:54,810
But I just wanted to
mention at the very end

1177
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:57,900
that a beautiful collection

1178
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:59,864
by Joshua Whitehead,

1179
00:51:59,864 --> 00:52:03,404
who is from the
pigweed Nation

1180
00:52:03,404 --> 00:52:06,405
and is also queer himself.

1181
00:52:06,405 --> 00:52:08,640
Just came out
with an anthology

1182
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,535
called Love after the n,

1183
00:52:11,535 --> 00:52:13,739
anthology of two
spirit and in

1184
00:52:13,739 --> 00:52:16,470
deci, queer
speculative fiction.

1185
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:18,750
And what's really
beautiful about

1186
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:23,069
his preface is
that he decided,

1187
00:52:23,069 --> 00:52:25,245
they decided together that

1188
00:52:25,245 --> 00:52:28,319
we've had so many
native Apocalypses,

1189
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:29,729
though many elements of

1190
00:52:29,729 --> 00:52:34,694
dystopian fiction
that he went with.

1191
00:52:34,694 --> 00:52:39,045
Basically utopian takes on

1192
00:52:39,045 --> 00:52:40,589
indigent query that's obey

1193
00:52:40,589 --> 00:52:43,365
decided for that
story selection,

1194
00:52:43,365 --> 00:52:45,944
even as it engages
and covert

1195
00:52:45,944 --> 00:52:48,420
19 and the pandemic

1196
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:51,839
and very recent kinds

1197
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:53,785
of ills that are going on.

1198
00:52:53,785 --> 00:52:58,489
In our world. Great,
Amazing Grace.

1199
00:52:58,489 --> 00:52:59,959
Thank you so much
what a gift.

1200
00:52:59,959 --> 00:53:01,550
It's a gift to have
all of you here.

1201
00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:02,899
So I do want to just
make sure we take

1202
00:53:02,899 --> 00:53:04,880
some time to really

1203
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,529
dig in and engage
with this group.

1204
00:53:06,529 --> 00:53:08,179
So remember, and I
know there's a lot of

1205
00:53:08,179 --> 00:53:09,080
interested folks who have

1206
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,069
a lot of deep knowledge.

1207
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:11,509
We're joining us
as participants,

1208
00:53:11,509 --> 00:53:12,829
including all bunch
of folks from

1209
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:14,659
PSUs future because
collaboratory.

1210
00:53:14,659 --> 00:53:16,970
So I do hope first
please start throwing

1211
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:18,724
some questions
in the chat box

1212
00:53:18,724 --> 00:53:19,939
or in the Q and a session.

1213
00:53:19,939 --> 00:53:22,475
And we'll get into
some of that.

1214
00:53:22,475 --> 00:53:24,169
Oftentimes you
on this event,

1215
00:53:24,169 --> 00:53:25,639
we tend to have a lot
of students and we have

1216
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:27,604
quite a few students
joining us today here.

1217
00:53:27,604 --> 00:53:28,939
One question that has come

1218
00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:30,274
up that people are
wondering about,

1219
00:53:30,274 --> 00:53:31,790
maybe you could just
answer briefly,

1220
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:33,080
which is just the

1221
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,189
students are
particularly wondering,

1222
00:53:34,189 --> 00:53:35,359
have you always
been interested in

1223
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,130
Futurism work? I cut it.

1224
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:39,485
How did you come to
start in the space?

1225
00:53:39,485 --> 00:53:41,060
Maybe we'll start with Kai.

1226
00:53:41,060 --> 00:53:46,520
Who got to unmute
yourself. Oh sorry.

1227
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,215
Yes. I've always
been thinking

1228
00:53:48,215 --> 00:53:50,359
about the future
quietly because I

1229
00:53:50,359 --> 00:53:54,034
grew up in a very
conservative Chinese family

1230
00:53:54,034 --> 00:53:56,329
where I'm always
asked when am

1231
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:58,790
I going to get married
and have children.

1232
00:53:58,790 --> 00:54:01,249
So a queer immigrants,

1233
00:54:01,249 --> 00:54:02,690
I guess my coming of

1234
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:04,639
age experience E
spare and much a

1235
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:05,719
departure from

1236
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,739
that Chinese hetero
normative expectation.

1237
00:54:09,739 --> 00:54:12,019
And in grad school of
course then I'm like

1238
00:54:12,019 --> 00:54:14,959
just drawn to the
figure off their child.

1239
00:54:14,959 --> 00:54:17,375
Especially when
they up here.

1240
00:54:17,375 --> 00:54:20,880
Again, queer theory
for instance,

1241
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:21,780
and the Edelman and had

1242
00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:23,174
this very interesting book

1243
00:54:23,174 --> 00:54:24,644
titled to know future,

1244
00:54:24,644 --> 00:54:28,200
where he's seeing
that the kid is,

1245
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,014
you know, a symbol

1246
00:54:30,014 --> 00:54:32,579
of a heteronormative
future.

1247
00:54:32,579 --> 00:54:36,495
And queers actually is
antithetical to that.

1248
00:54:36,495 --> 00:54:38,984
So like that, so that

1249
00:54:38,984 --> 00:54:40,559
opposition between
queers and

1250
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,569
children is interesting.

1251
00:54:42,569 --> 00:54:44,294
But later, like

1252
00:54:44,294 --> 00:54:47,040
other queer
scholars of color,

1253
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,540
like Jose Munoz actually

1254
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:50,324
set that since, you know,

1255
00:54:50,324 --> 00:54:52,575
children of color
had a harder time

1256
00:54:52,575 --> 00:54:54,419
going up queer
select the future

1257
00:54:54,419 --> 00:54:56,625
actually is important for

1258
00:54:56,625 --> 00:54:58,965
Queen youth of
color to be clean.

1259
00:54:58,965 --> 00:55:01,660
So up, very much
inspired by hosing.

1260
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:04,259
Then like my like
dissipation is there much

1261
00:55:04,259 --> 00:55:06,929
tracing those stories of

1262
00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:09,450
queer youth finding
different sorts

1263
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:11,624
of kinship us away towards

1264
00:55:11,624 --> 00:55:19,800
survival were laid out.

1265
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,220
But you have

1266
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:22,515
your husband interested
futurism worker,

1267
00:55:22,515 --> 00:55:23,744
Katya come to this?

1268
00:55:23,744 --> 00:55:25,770
Yes. Yeah. Like
I said, I mean,

1269
00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:27,090
I'm I'm a nerd from birth,

1270
00:55:27,090 --> 00:55:29,549
so I can't buy
this honestly.

1271
00:55:29,549 --> 00:55:32,699
And I, you know, I
think I very lucky that

1272
00:55:32,699 --> 00:55:34,949
my scholarship has mostly

1273
00:55:34,949 --> 00:55:37,560
grown out of my
my organizing,

1274
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,095
my activism, my
community-based work,

1275
00:55:40,095 --> 00:55:42,509
and that my
creative work as

1276
00:55:42,509 --> 00:55:43,709
a writer has always been

1277
00:55:43,709 --> 00:55:45,000
tied together as well.

1278
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,949
And so for me,

1279
00:55:46,949 --> 00:55:48,959
I began doing
my work around

1280
00:55:48,959 --> 00:55:51,030
visionary fiction
and radical spec,

1281
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:52,649
speculative fiction.

1282
00:55:52,649 --> 00:55:55,110
Sort of in community
thinking about how

1283
00:55:55,110 --> 00:55:57,600
those can help us
build a better world.

1284
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,180
And then was able to
sort of bring that into

1285
00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:01,529
my public scholarship

1286
00:56:01,529 --> 00:56:03,239
and my engaged scholarship.

1287
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,979
And I feel very lucky that

1288
00:56:04,979 --> 00:56:08,650
that has always been
intertwined for me.

1289
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:17,834
Grace. I'm sure in
that sense, yes.

1290
00:56:17,834 --> 00:56:19,050
It was kind of funny

1291
00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:22,440
because I was
very fortunate

1292
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,569
to receive a tenure
track position

1293
00:56:24,569 --> 00:56:28,019
here at PSU.

1294
00:56:28,019 --> 00:56:29,580
And it was really thanks

1295
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:31,319
to Ursula Kayla Gwen,

1296
00:56:31,319 --> 00:56:34,964
who for many of us,

1297
00:56:34,964 --> 00:56:38,940
we know her as
just an amazing,

1298
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:42,870
amazing science fiction,

1299
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:47,819
The Fantastic
kind of writer.

1300
00:56:47,819 --> 00:56:51,090
And I had a special
affinity with

1301
00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:55,395
her because as an
admission of a person,

1302
00:56:55,395 --> 00:56:59,415
she was very excited
about getting in

1303
00:56:59,415 --> 00:57:01,470
a native scholar into

1304
00:57:01,470 --> 00:57:03,959
the science fiction
field at the time.

1305
00:57:03,959 --> 00:57:09,255
So that was back
in 20022003 or so.

1306
00:57:09,255 --> 00:57:12,900
And but even though I

1307
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:13,980
coined the term at

1308
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:16,830
that time and that's
what my interest was.

1309
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:19,920
I also simply grew up in

1310
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,740
our ceremonies and our
ADA Zukin n and our

1311
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:25,799
stories from very little

1312
00:57:25,799 --> 00:57:31,214
with stories of sky people,

1313
00:57:31,214 --> 00:57:33,194
all kinds of stories of

1314
00:57:33,194 --> 00:57:36,150
integrated
science with art,

1315
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:39,510
where we weren't
busy tussling,

1316
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:41,639
trying to tear it apart.

1317
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:43,199
We're we're seeing it is

1318
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,555
integrated and
woven together.

1319
00:57:45,555 --> 00:57:50,475
And so in that sense, yes.

1320
00:57:50,475 --> 00:57:52,889
Even from a little one,

1321
00:57:52,889 --> 00:57:54,359
even though I didn't know

1322
00:57:54,359 --> 00:57:55,619
at science fiction was

1323
00:57:55,619 --> 00:57:59,550
then I later read

1324
00:57:59,550 --> 00:58:02,219
earthly Caleb when as
a kid and I thought,

1325
00:58:02,219 --> 00:58:05,834
Oh, and was
particularly interested

1326
00:58:05,834 --> 00:58:07,755
in the left-hand or

1327
00:58:07,755 --> 00:58:10,215
darkness of the
dispossessed.

1328
00:58:10,215 --> 00:58:14,219
Because the ladder,
because that had

1329
00:58:14,219 --> 00:58:17,070
the kind of pacifist
anarchist community

1330
00:58:17,070 --> 00:58:18,509
I grew up in.

1331
00:58:18,509 --> 00:58:20,220
That was native founded.

1332
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:23,535
It was founded by
Anishinaabe peoples.

1333
00:58:23,535 --> 00:58:26,175
And we kept in
close touch with

1334
00:58:26,175 --> 00:58:29,624
our tribal and
sovereign nations.

1335
00:58:29,624 --> 00:58:33,029
But we're very
interested in

1336
00:58:33,029 --> 00:58:36,675
living a life without
hierarchy of any kind,

1337
00:58:36,675 --> 00:58:39,600
no matter what that
hierarchy was.

1338
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,250
So living that kind of

1339
00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:44,070
thought experiment.
Thank you.

1340
00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:45,869
That's great. Amazing how

1341
00:58:45,869 --> 00:58:47,279
quickly, how
quickly time flies.

1342
00:58:47,279 --> 00:58:47,970
I realize we only have

1343
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:48,900
about five minutes left.

1344
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:51,029
So what I want to do,
which is amazing,

1345
00:58:51,029 --> 00:58:52,649
these are some of
the fastest balance

1346
00:58:52,649 --> 00:58:53,700
we ever and I

1347
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:54,779
certainly I've ever
been involved in,

1348
00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:56,100
so it's outstanding

1349
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,450
to join this time with you.

1350
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:59,910
And I'm wonder if
maybe there's a bit of

1351
00:58:59,910 --> 00:59:01,739
a reflection for
each of you to

1352
00:59:01,739 --> 00:59:04,215
answer in our last few
remaining minutes.

1353
00:59:04,215 --> 00:59:06,225
It's really, you
know, how to, how to,

1354
00:59:06,225 --> 00:59:08,370
how to take this narrative

1355
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:09,600
of scholarship
and the work that

1356
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,069
you're engaged in
to really sort

1357
00:59:11,069 --> 00:59:12,389
of reflect on this moment

1358
00:59:12,389 --> 00:59:13,394
we're living in now.

1359
00:59:13,394 --> 00:59:14,819
And sort of really
trying to help us

1360
00:59:14,819 --> 00:59:16,260
understand how this view of

1361
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:17,444
alternative futures

1362
00:59:17,444 --> 00:59:18,750
for particularly
as we think

1363
00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:20,189
about the students
and the change makers

1364
00:59:20,189 --> 00:59:21,764
in the audience that
are really trying to,

1365
00:59:21,764 --> 00:59:22,379
you know,

1366
00:59:22,379 --> 00:59:23,909
our inheriting a
very different world

1367
00:59:23,909 --> 00:59:24,750
and trying to create

1368
00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:25,949
a different world like so

1369
00:59:25,949 --> 00:59:27,810
maybe you could help help

1370
00:59:27,810 --> 00:59:29,399
contextualize how
this work might

1371
00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:32,020
actually concretely
move us forward.

1372
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:36,239
We can. God,
give it a shot.

1373
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:37,949
Ok. Let's just have
a very brief amount

1374
00:59:37,949 --> 00:59:39,225
of time, but please
give protect.

1375
00:59:39,225 --> 00:59:40,650
Yes, the concept chromo

1376
00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:43,050
normativity came
into mind braid.

1377
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:44,370
I think one thing that

1378
00:59:44,370 --> 00:59:46,109
queer theory really
taught me is

1379
00:59:46,109 --> 00:59:47,205
to think about how to

1380
00:59:47,205 --> 00:59:49,364
occupy time
differently, right?

1381
00:59:49,364 --> 00:59:50,430
Proto normativity is

1382
00:59:50,430 --> 00:59:51,749
this idea where, you know,

1383
00:59:51,749 --> 00:59:55,440
the heteronormative
stage is devising

1384
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,659
the store of
normative timeline

1385
00:59:57,659 --> 01:00:00,134
and timetable to structure,

1386
01:00:00,134 --> 01:00:01,889
you know, people's lines in

1387
01:00:01,889 --> 01:00:03,330
the perpetuation of

1388
01:00:03,330 --> 01:00:05,190
where production
and productivity.

1389
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:07,515
So I think, you know,
thinking forward,

1390
01:00:07,515 --> 01:00:08,895
raid in the attempts to

1391
01:00:08,895 --> 01:00:11,999
occupied time
alternatively and quietly,

1392
01:00:11,999 --> 01:00:14,340
I think we have to
cultivate a sense of

1393
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:17,740
awareness of how we
think about time.

1394
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:22,589
We also hold a compulsion

1395
01:00:22,589 --> 01:00:24,554
to move towards
a linear future,

1396
01:00:24,554 --> 01:00:26,325
which is often a Western

1397
01:00:26,325 --> 01:00:28,275
conceptualization
of progress.

1398
01:00:28,275 --> 01:00:29,970
So yeah, I'll just stop

1399
01:00:29,970 --> 01:00:32,295
there with an
abstract Andy.

1400
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:36,960
Outstanding chi i fully
the final thoughts.

1401
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,900
I mean, I would just say to

1402
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:42,660
really just allow
yourself and create

1403
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:44,370
space and create
the support

1404
01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:46,425
you need to be
able to challenge

1405
01:00:46,425 --> 01:00:49,410
everything externally
and internally

1406
01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:53,789
and to create
opportunities to practice.

1407
01:00:53,789 --> 01:00:57,119
Because these are
incredibly serious times.

1408
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,350
There have been
serious times

1409
01:00:58,350 --> 01:01:00,615
for more than 500 years.

1410
01:01:00,615 --> 01:01:02,729
And we also need to have

1411
01:01:02,729 --> 01:01:05,085
space where we
can embrace the,

1412
01:01:05,085 --> 01:01:08,160
the joy of claiming

1413
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,995
and building new
just futures.

1414
01:01:10,995 --> 01:01:12,659
It is, it is incredibly

1415
01:01:12,659 --> 01:01:14,414
serious and it's also,

1416
01:01:14,414 --> 01:01:15,990
it has to be rooted in

1417
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:17,955
our joy and, and our hope.

1418
01:01:17,955 --> 01:01:19,305
And, you know,

1419
01:01:19,305 --> 01:01:21,329
doing that
collectively I think

1420
01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:25,049
makes us all so much
even more creative,

1421
01:01:25,049 --> 01:01:27,420
even more brilliant
and even more brave,

1422
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:30,389
because we know we're
not alone in this.

1423
01:01:30,389 --> 01:01:31,589
And so, you know,

1424
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:33,810
I would I would
say to, you know,

1425
01:01:33,810 --> 01:01:37,169
to find folks that you
can dream with and

1426
01:01:37,169 --> 01:01:38,999
then that you can
do the work of

1427
01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:40,979
building those
dreams into reality.

1428
01:01:40,979 --> 01:01:45,300
And to know that really
the limitations of,

1429
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:46,499
of change are

1430
01:01:46,499 --> 01:01:48,615
the limitations of
our imagination.

1431
01:01:48,615 --> 01:01:51,449
And once we expand
our imagination,

1432
01:01:51,449 --> 01:01:54,160
anything is truly possible.

1433
01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:59,049
Wise words, grace.

1434
01:01:59,330 --> 01:02:02,699
This has just been
also beautiful.

1435
01:02:02,699 --> 01:02:04,079
And like the rest of you,

1436
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,799
I just want to know
every point that's made.

1437
01:02:07,799 --> 01:02:09,899
I'm thinking, whoa, whoa.

1438
01:02:09,899 --> 01:02:14,835
And I will go back
to Louis Brown,

1439
01:02:14,835 --> 01:02:18,565
who was revolutionary
in Canada.

1440
01:02:18,565 --> 01:02:24,769
And also the, even
though he was executed,

1441
01:02:24,769 --> 01:02:26,900
hung for trying to

1442
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:30,665
create the nation
of the MAY t.

1443
01:02:30,665 --> 01:02:33,709
He promised before he

1444
01:02:33,709 --> 01:02:38,629
died that in a 100
years through stories,

1445
01:02:38,629 --> 01:02:40,955
art and song,

1446
01:02:40,955 --> 01:02:45,064
that there would
be a Matey nation.

1447
01:02:45,064 --> 01:02:47,044
And it reminded me a lot of

1448
01:02:47,044 --> 01:02:49,265
John true Dell also,

1449
01:02:49,265 --> 01:02:50,900
where he had been

1450
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:55,370
an ardent activist
to the point

1451
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:58,430
where he's known for taking

1452
01:02:58,430 --> 01:03:03,885
the flag and burning it
by the Capitol steps.

1453
01:03:03,885 --> 01:03:07,709
But when the FBI
went in and they

1454
01:03:07,709 --> 01:03:10,125
did and burned down

1455
01:03:10,125 --> 01:03:12,794
his wife and his children.

1456
01:03:12,794 --> 01:03:16,019
That destroyed him
so much that made

1457
01:03:16,019 --> 01:03:17,369
such an impact on

1458
01:03:17,369 --> 01:03:20,984
him that he
turned to poetry.

1459
01:03:20,984 --> 01:03:22,830
And it is actually through

1460
01:03:22,830 --> 01:03:26,039
his poetry that
we know some of

1461
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:29,700
his most activist and
revolutionary ways

1462
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:33,030
of thinking, making
genuine change.

1463
01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:35,580
So I guess what

1464
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:39,449
I'm hoping to
suggest here is that

1465
01:03:39,449 --> 01:03:44,790
stories add science told
through stories and

1466
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:47,189
visions and imaginations
told through

1467
01:03:47,189 --> 01:03:50,100
stories and in digit,

1468
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,844
queer or symbiotic

1469
01:03:52,844 --> 01:03:56,085
Genesis and co
evolution moments,

1470
01:03:56,085 --> 01:03:58,275
queer ecology.

1471
01:03:58,275 --> 01:04:02,385
All of that, when
told through story,

1472
01:04:02,385 --> 01:04:06,195
takes on such a huge impact

1473
01:04:06,195 --> 01:04:12,280
and can actually
create nations.

1474
01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:15,559
And what a beautiful way
than Greece, Dillon.

1475
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,030
So thank you all so much.

1476
01:04:17,030 --> 01:04:18,290
This has been an
amazing panel

1477
01:04:18,290 --> 01:04:19,220
and I think hopefully

1478
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:20,270
continues to reinforce

1479
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:21,710
the amazing group
of scholars.

1480
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:22,939
We have a PSU
and especially

1481
01:04:22,939 --> 01:04:24,394
in our school, gender
isn't nations.

1482
01:04:24,394 --> 01:04:25,220
It's been a real pleasure

1483
01:04:25,220 --> 01:04:26,014
to have you all here.

1484
01:04:26,014 --> 01:04:27,170
Just as a quick reminder,

1485
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:27,980
I do want to
remind you that

1486
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:29,059
some amazing events coming

1487
01:04:29,059 --> 01:04:31,040
up tomorrow is PSUs kicking

1488
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,500
off its annual MLK
tribute series with

1489
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:35,270
a presentation by
anti-racist educators

1490
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:37,325
Asana hooked up, hope
to see you all there.

1491
01:04:37,325 --> 01:04:39,590
And as well as next
month we won't have an

1492
01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:41,750
at this moment series
and we'll drop those,

1493
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:43,745
hopefully the MLK series

1494
01:04:43,745 --> 01:04:45,020
in the chat box so you can

1495
01:04:45,020 --> 01:04:46,579
follow that along
next month we

1496
01:04:46,579 --> 01:04:47,510
won't be how hosting

1497
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:48,559
and at this moment series,

1498
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:49,310
because we'll be doing

1499
01:04:49,310 --> 01:04:51,155
our next Tegretol series,

1500
01:04:51,155 --> 01:04:52,520
which is more like

1501
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,589
a Ted Talk style
presentation where we

1502
01:04:54,589 --> 01:04:56,760
highlighting five of
College's faculty

1503
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,124
on the topic of resilience.

1504
01:04:58,124 --> 01:04:59,805
And I hope to see
you all there.

1505
01:04:59,805 --> 01:05:01,379
So with that
again, I so much

1506
01:05:01,379 --> 01:05:02,819
want to thank
everyone for taking

1507
01:05:02,819 --> 01:05:04,620
the time today to join
in this conversation

1508
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:05,910
and enjoying us listening

1509
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:07,739
this amazing group
of panelists and the

1510
01:05:07,739 --> 01:05:10,155
experts we have PSU,
I hope you stay safe.

1511
01:05:10,155 --> 01:05:11,729
I hope you stay
well, and I hope

1512
01:05:11,729 --> 01:05:13,679
you see you all again soon.

1513
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,585
And most importantly,

1514
01:05:15,585 --> 01:05:17,534
I think one of
the words that,

1515
01:05:17,534 --> 01:05:19,890
sorry I wrote it down,
Pope is a discipline,

1516
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:21,719
imagination is a practice.

1517
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:23,309
And I think those are
really great things

1518
01:05:23,309 --> 01:05:24,479
to take away as we sort

1519
01:05:24,479 --> 01:05:26,370
of head into the sun

1520
01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:27,884
setting here on this
beautiful Thursday.

1521
01:05:27,884 --> 01:05:30,309
So good. I think it will.