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Hello.

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Well, welcome everyone.

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This is our very
first at this

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moment conversation
for 2022.

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So I'm Todd Rose
is still biology

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professor and dean of

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the College of Liberal
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And I must say that it's

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nice to be back with all

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of you again and started
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So like you, I
do hope we would

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be on our way out
of this pandemic.

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But here we are
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the midst of another,

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they're all Macron search.

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So I myself have

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been sick all
this last week,

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but I am happy to be
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join you on analysis

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is a great way to return.

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So for all of

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our faculty and
staff listening,

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I just wanna
say thank you.

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Thank you for all you're
doing to respond to

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this moment with
such creativity and

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compassion and
patience and

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flexibility for
our students

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and for one another.

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And for all the
students out there.

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I'm so sorry, we're
we're still here.

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Like me.

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I know that many of
you were hoping for

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maybe a more
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of living and kind of
learning together.

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So hang in there and
then keep your guard up.

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This too shall pass.

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So at this
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was born emitted a
global health crisis

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into a national reckoning
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We really created
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provide a space
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researchers and
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share their work and
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the broader community
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a little context for

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better understanding
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to life at this moment.

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So theme for this
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is community partnerships.

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And today we are both on

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the Zoom webinar as
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And these presentations
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recorded and archived
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So our last discussion,
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focused on
partnerships around

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the topics of
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focus on issues that

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really get to the
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And it's really a
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how PSU faculty
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are working
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partners to bring
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research and philosophy
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So for those of you

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returning that
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It's great to see
your names again.

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Welcome back. For those of

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you new to R at this
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Welcome.

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I hope we get to see
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the year so that
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very simple to
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a conversation
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about the work of those
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So whether you're
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or on your couch
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a break from your
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scrambling to make
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I'm I'm glad you've
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to to be part of
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So today we are joined by

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an amazing group
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and it's by far
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group of panelists
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And so let me
introduce them all.

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We have neuroscientists,
bill geyser and

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artists Jeff
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psychology faculty
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Northwest not in a
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not-for-profit, that

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bringing science
and art in schools.

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Welcome Bill
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rid of hardware
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both undergraduate
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Northwest now
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psych major and I
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sienna is actually at PCC.

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Pcc and will be

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transferring into
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but studying biology
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She's also a
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So welcome Brenda
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Singer. Alex
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and Chair of
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founded the Oregon
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Ethics Bowl and developed

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a senior capstone that
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Children's in grades
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Welcome, say Alex,

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Travis, Eddie
Travis, welcome.

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A middle school teacher at

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the Ivy School of Public

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Charter Montessori
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our philosophy
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And finally we have
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Julia, It's a PSU
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2021 philosophy
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a student in the
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a TA for the philosophy
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Julia will be
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law school next fall.

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So congratulations,
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just want to say welcome
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as questions arise and

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questions will
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please take a moment
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the Q and a or
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on the backend and I will

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help facilitate questions
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rarely finish all
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but we'll do our best

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to get through
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And the questions are
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So as the questions
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into your own grey matter,

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throw them into
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and we'll get
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With that, I just
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again, welcome to 2020.

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To welcome to the

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first at this
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And Alex and
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Wonderful, Thanks,
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I think, you know,
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missed this,
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like before you joined us,

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we flip the brain.

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It was he who,

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who goes first
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So where God verse.

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So it tells that
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I'm the Chair of the
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and I'm just
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to join julian
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about our philosophy
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over 25 years ago.

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I didn't know what
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My accident, I ended up

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needing next class
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in week two of

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the hardest class I
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where we were in
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hearts accreditations
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wonderful and
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high school or
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trials, polio about that.

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three programs
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and Travis that
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a little bit about
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I think this is
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for, for young people.

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a moment to share some of

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the programs because
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see if I can share this.

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programs in the
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First one we've been
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the audit and
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and we added a
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Ethics Bowl a
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This this is going
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February on
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Well supported.

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We are very
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in person this year,

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but the best laid plans,

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all maps, we move

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a line but we're
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We're, still is still
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It's an international
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And we have the Oregon
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the original division
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analyze these credibly
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not handled judgments.

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we have love
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participating nine
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And we have usually about
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The lost people from the

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community come
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we could still use it
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I might, females could
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So I hope you reach out.

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these are really tough

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cases this year
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the exciting ones are odd.

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deep fig technology and

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the ethical implications
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Schools available to
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genetic engineering
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suffering among
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doesn't sort of units.

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been doing for
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this isn't partnership

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or this section part of

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our general
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university stones.

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This is a senior capstone
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for children in joule
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you talk to you about
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But it's the
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They have the
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design lesson plans
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into the classroom
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lead this lesson plans.

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Some of our students
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they were planted
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but after the
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made the second
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paralleled in
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We have community
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we're going to hear from

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Travis for the IV school,

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long-term partner
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very closely
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just flip the IB school.

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another wonderful
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sir Adams, we've been

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working with for
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This fall, we
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that I really
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able to work with
Helen Gordon

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child development
center at

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the PSU and work

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with preschool students
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children's literature,

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story-based that lesson
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which was an experience.
Where the wonderful.

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Then the last
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this last fall in

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it's a philosophy
summer to you.

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We were able to
arrange this

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so that high-school
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successfully complete

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the camp earn
university credit.

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our Introduction to
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a TA and we get a
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We are working
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high school students and

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really excited
fingers crossed.

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Give you this person.

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This summer we're going
to plenty to do it.

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The summer from
August 1st at wealth.

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Applications are
formally open yet,

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but if you have
any questions

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or want to learn
about this,

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please do reach out
to me and I put

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my e-mail there below.

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And this is a
wonderful picture

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that one of our
students live.

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The dirt from.

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Portland Waldorf did as

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part of a discussion
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at a famous experiment

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by phospholipids
called Why did Mill,

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I'm going to turn
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Julie, share
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Hi everyone.

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Thank you so much
for having me

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here. My name is Shirley.

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Just go and I did graduate

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last spring with a
bachelor's in philosophy.

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I was a student
in the philosophy

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for children capstone
to falls ago now.

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we had the seminar class

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and then our interactions

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with community partners.

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we worked with
the IV school and

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metro Montessori Middle
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said, AS PSU students,

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we created lesson
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middle schoolers through

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philosophical topics with

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different presenting
games and

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presenting questions
that we gave to

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the students and kind
of worked through with

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them right off the bat.

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It was a great
experience because I got

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to see my own education

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and philosophy actual lies

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outside of the
classroom in a group

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I personally didn't have

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much engagement with,
which was children.

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a great way to
connect with

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people because
it's about forcing

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one to questions
one's thoughts.

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And in this sense, it was

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a really connecting
experience

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to analyze thought
experiments and

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positions alongside

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these middle
schoolers who are of

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course in a different
position than I may

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be in the seminar class.

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We read this book called

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Philosophy and the
young child by

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Gareth Matthews
and something

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that really clicked
with me that he said,

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and I'm paraphrasing
is that

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young children are
indeed emotional beings,

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but they, and have

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the right to be
thinking games as well.

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And I think this
really demonstrates

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another way we can
connect to children

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in our community and even

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adults through

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new thought processes
and philosophy.

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it was interesting
to expand

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my experiences of
different pedagogy.

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So I'm a public school

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and Steiner Waldorf
kid all the way.

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So learning
hands-on pedagogy

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that was different
from my own.

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Specifically the
Montessori philosophy for

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education was really
quite eye-opening to me.

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And I think
bringing philosophy

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into the classroom
can do this as well.

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The lesson plan
I wrote for

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the Capstone was
asking students

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a series of questions
about a pocket

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thought experiment called
the Heinz Dilemma,

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which is about a man who

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steals medicine
for a sick wife.

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And from what was
an experiment about

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morals of stealing and
subjective situations,

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came a student in

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the class who meticulously
presented her,

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take them whether
healthcare

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was a human right or not.

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And our fellow classmates

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really reverberated off

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her and presenting

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their counter-arguments
to her,

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but the same respect and

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the same rigor that she'd

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presented originally.

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So you really see
when you start

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to engage with students

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out of thinking level,

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they definitely
respond in kind

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with teachers and
with each other,

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which I think,
which I thought

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was really great to
experience first-hand.

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As Professor
Singer mentioned,

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we also had the
summer camp for

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the first time
it last August.

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I was a teaching assistant

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for the camp and
it was virtual.

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So we got students
from Oregon,

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but a few from
farther away.

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I think we got one
from Mexico City.

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So it was a great
group of kids.

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And the students are

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not much younger
than I am.

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I had just
graduated in June.

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So this was particularly

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fun because the
students had

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to apply and make

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the conscious choice to

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participate in the camp.

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And many there
were beginning to

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think about what
they wanted

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to studying college.

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So I like to think
that I could bridge

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that gap between high
school and college.

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And of course, hypo,
potent it a little bit.

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But really this camp
push them to think

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deeply about

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early modern
ancient philosophy,

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animal ethics,

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philosophy of our
indigenous philosophy,

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among many other topics
that they may not

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have been

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really encouraged
to explore before,

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and some of which I had
just learned myself.

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So my last term
and bring up 22 I,

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when I had taken

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an early modern
philosophy course.

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So some of that material
was quite new to me,

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just like it was to them.

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And those were the
times where we could,

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the students and
I could really

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explore in our breakout

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rooms together questions

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we all had about
day car or

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David Hume because I

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can be some some
pretty tough stuff.

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And just as I

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had helped answer
their questions,

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they helped me work
through my own,

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which I think
at a distance

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of of peer shipped
to our conversations

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and that allowed
them to perhaps go

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a little bit further
than they would have.

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And what was actually

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quite heartening in
the same vein is that

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I'm seeing in real
time on the campus how

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PSU was eating in

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the student's confidence

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in their own thinking.

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So philosophy can be a
very vulnerable thing

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when it requires you
to reveal your mind

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and share some of

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your most deeply
held beliefs.

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That can be quite
personal preference.

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You say your feet
pull up, live

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this piece lives p six or

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so.

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Peace that student drew

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and shared with
class after

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we discuss madness mill,

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which is a thought
experiment that

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uses the case
of walking into

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a male to argue that
material things such

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as the brain cannot
have mental states.

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And this I thought,
was an example

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of a student working
through these ideas

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and having the
confidence to use

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her own tools to really

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work through them and
really explore them.

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In the end, we got
some unchecked kids at

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the beginning who were
more of a sit back

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and listen type and
the program with

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the confidence to
speak out when

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they didn't agree with
the general consensus

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or we're motivated to

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explore in their
final projects

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some pretty personal
and explorative things,

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such as the fossa and
monsters and culture.

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My favorite of the

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final projects
for the camp.

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So I hope that

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this gives you
a little bit

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of insight into how

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these programs with
Portland State

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connect us with the
local community,

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but also really
connect students to

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students throughout
the community as well.

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Thank you so much
for your time

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and pass it off to Travis.

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Hi everybody.

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My name is Travis and I am

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a middle school teacher

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at IV Montessori where?

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Public charter
Montessori school

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in North Portland.

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And we've been
working with

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Dr. Segre in a variety
of different ways.

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I think this is
our eighth year

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officially that we've that

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we've been doing this.

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And I will, in the spirit
of full disclosure,

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just tell you right
up front that I

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also studied philosophy
and undergrad.

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So I kind of had

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a pro philosophy bias

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when I found out
about this program

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and was immediately
taken with the idea

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and really excited and

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kind of empowered to
this idea that yes,

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of course, we can
teach philosophy

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to people who aren't

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in university to
two children.

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And of course we should.

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And there are a lot of
good reasons for that.

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So I wanted to just
tell you a little bit

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about what that
program looks like,

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what that partnership
looks like

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in my classroom and

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in our classrooms
here at school.

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And then some of

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the specific
benefits that I see,

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not only for my
students but for

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our kind of our
community partners.

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So we've done, over
the years that we've

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works with the
capstone course.

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We've, we've
done the lessons

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in a number of
different ways.

539
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:23,570
We've done a
couple of years.

540
00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:25,879
We did Ethics Bowls
in the classrooms,

541
00:19:25,879 --> 00:19:27,050
which was really
fun and the kids

542
00:19:27,050 --> 00:19:28,609
got really excited
about that.

543
00:19:28,609 --> 00:19:31,790
And we did some
years when we did

544
00:19:31,790 --> 00:19:34,114
just kind of smaller
group lessons and

545
00:19:34,114 --> 00:19:35,510
the PSU students
would break

546
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:37,490
up with a small group of,

547
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:39,650
of students and
teach their lessons.

548
00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:41,239
And what we've
settled on for

549
00:19:41,239 --> 00:19:43,969
the past three
years, as Jolie,

550
00:19:43,969 --> 00:19:46,354
you kind of
alluded to is is

551
00:19:46,354 --> 00:19:49,399
working the
programming into

552
00:19:49,399 --> 00:19:50,660
part of our weekly seminar

553
00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:52,024
discussions that we do.

554
00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:55,669
So the PSU students

555
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:57,904
will prepare a
lesson that involves

556
00:19:57,904 --> 00:20:00,995
some kind of
reading material

557
00:20:00,995 --> 00:20:02,329
and then prepare
discussion and

558
00:20:02,329 --> 00:20:05,900
questions about an
interesting topic

559
00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:08,030
that could be an
ethical dilemma.

560
00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:12,290
It could be different
ways of thinking about

561
00:20:12,290 --> 00:20:14,419
existence or how we

562
00:20:14,419 --> 00:20:16,520
understand and
perceive the world.

563
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,500
And the students have

564
00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:20,449
a full week to
prepare for that.

565
00:20:20,449 --> 00:20:24,380
Then the PSU students
come in and facilitate

566
00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:26,870
the discussions
that we spend

567
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:30,064
an hour sitting
and discussion,

568
00:20:30,064 --> 00:20:32,570
discussing the topics
with our students

569
00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:36,799
and and ours is
upfront seems

570
00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:40,159
like a really long time
for a group of 12 to

571
00:20:40,159 --> 00:20:42,050
14 year-olds to
sit and talk about

572
00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:45,050
a topic like that is,

573
00:20:45,050 --> 00:20:47,299
it seems like a really
heavy web sometimes,

574
00:20:47,299 --> 00:20:49,399
but really what we find,

575
00:20:49,399 --> 00:20:51,919
especially with
the topics,

576
00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:53,119
the philosophy topics,

577
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,670
is that we run out
of time and I,

578
00:20:55,670 --> 00:20:57,830
we have Students
short because there's

579
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:59,660
such a rich
discussion that's

580
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:01,820
happening that,
that arises.

581
00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:04,699
And I think one of

582
00:21:04,699 --> 00:21:08,780
the real true benefits
for adolescence of

583
00:21:08,780 --> 00:21:10,459
philosophy is that they

584
00:21:10,459 --> 00:21:12,934
are at an age and a time

585
00:21:12,934 --> 00:21:18,169
when big questions
just are really,

586
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:20,120
really engaging to them.

587
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,009
It's, I think for,

588
00:21:22,009 --> 00:21:23,749
for a lot of
developmentally,

589
00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:26,630
it's just kind of a
time when though,

590
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:28,939
the first time that a
lot of people start

591
00:21:28,939 --> 00:21:31,040
to imagine and be

592
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,945
able to understand and
think about a lot,

593
00:21:32,945 --> 00:21:35,000
a lot of really
large questions.

594
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,740
And to be able to think
about things with

595
00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:40,459
some levels of ambiguity.

596
00:21:40,459 --> 00:21:43,115
And so they get

597
00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:45,019
really excited and
really interested,

598
00:21:45,019 --> 00:21:46,730
which is always
something for

599
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:49,190
me as a teacher
of middle school,

600
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:50,510
anything that
they're interested

601
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:51,484
in doing that I
don't have to

602
00:21:51,484 --> 00:21:54,379
like drag people
through Huth it there I

603
00:21:54,379 --> 00:21:57,515
guess I want to do this
is is I will take it.

604
00:21:57,515 --> 00:21:58,400
I'll take I'll take

605
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,335
all of them if
you have them.

606
00:22:00,335 --> 00:22:03,050
The other thing that's
a real benefit and

607
00:22:03,050 --> 00:22:06,110
this may seem kind of
superficial at first,

608
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:09,395
but I think it's not
always is that the,

609
00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:10,999
having the PSU students,

610
00:22:10,999 --> 00:22:12,019
the college
students coming to

611
00:22:12,019 --> 00:22:13,174
our customer,
they're just cool.

612
00:22:13,174 --> 00:22:14,765
They're cooler than me.

613
00:22:14,765 --> 00:22:17,689
Which is just something
that I'll never I'll

614
00:22:17,689 --> 00:22:20,584
never be able to
compete with that, but

615
00:22:20,584 --> 00:22:23,089
Beyond that, one thing

616
00:22:23,089 --> 00:22:24,379
that I was thinking
about this morning

617
00:22:24,379 --> 00:22:30,244
is I think it lets my
students see a pathway.

618
00:22:30,244 --> 00:22:33,320
They can imagine
themselves as academics.

619
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,090
They can, they
can kind of start

620
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:36,544
to picture what
that looks like.

621
00:22:36,544 --> 00:22:38,059
And to interact with

622
00:22:38,059 --> 00:22:39,589
these cool order
people who are

623
00:22:39,589 --> 00:22:41,270
like not cool
old, old people,

624
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:44,300
but cool people that

625
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:45,380
they can start
to see like,

626
00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:47,314
oh, this is what it's
like to do that.

627
00:22:47,314 --> 00:22:49,130
And they can start
to see themselves

628
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:50,179
in that position.

629
00:22:50,179 --> 00:22:51,425
And I think that's really,

630
00:22:51,425 --> 00:22:53,389
that's really
special for them.

631
00:22:53,389 --> 00:22:56,269
Practicing discussion
is something

632
00:22:56,269 --> 00:22:57,589
that I'm really
passionate about.

633
00:22:57,589 --> 00:23:00,139
And as Jolie
was mentioning,

634
00:23:00,139 --> 00:23:01,999
actively learning
how to disagree

635
00:23:01,999 --> 00:23:03,754
with each other, is,

636
00:23:03,754 --> 00:23:05,959
I think one of the top
five skills that I

637
00:23:05,959 --> 00:23:08,930
want students to
leave my care with.

638
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:11,749
Because they're
always present it.

639
00:23:11,749 --> 00:23:12,559
I feel like you want us to

640
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:13,610
disagree and like, yeah,

641
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:14,359
yeah, I watch, I

642
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,530
love it when you
guys disagree,

643
00:23:15,530 --> 00:23:18,350
but doing it respectfully
and having reasons

644
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:19,669
and not resorting to

645
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:20,959
name-calling and
all those things

646
00:23:20,959 --> 00:23:22,115
is a skill that I,

647
00:23:22,115 --> 00:23:24,440
that I see this program
really fostering.

648
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,170
And then finally, I,

649
00:23:27,170 --> 00:23:30,829
it's really exciting and

650
00:23:30,829 --> 00:23:32,149
fun for me to work with

651
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:33,800
the PSU students and see

652
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,254
many of them and develop

653
00:23:35,254 --> 00:23:37,429
into folks who
are interested in

654
00:23:37,429 --> 00:23:39,319
education and
practicing that skill

655
00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:41,240
and facilitating
discussion and

656
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,775
working with young people

657
00:23:42,775 --> 00:23:45,309
to kind of see
that as another in

658
00:23:45,309 --> 00:23:47,344
the second layer
of education

659
00:23:47,344 --> 00:23:49,624
and learning that I get
to be involved with.

660
00:23:49,624 --> 00:23:53,069
So thank you all
for your time.

661
00:23:57,910 --> 00:23:59,674
That was great.

662
00:23:59,674 --> 00:24:00,484
Thank you.

663
00:24:00,484 --> 00:24:02,930
Totally. Alex and
Travis, someone so much.

664
00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:03,815
We can gone there.

665
00:24:03,815 --> 00:24:05,240
Probably bunch of
questions for folks.

666
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,589
I certainly have
a bunch, but we

667
00:24:06,589 --> 00:24:08,180
want to hold off till
we get to the next,

668
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:09,620
the next, at the end

669
00:24:09,620 --> 00:24:11,195
we'll wrap up all
the questions.

670
00:24:11,195 --> 00:24:12,440
I just do want to
shout out right

671
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,539
away something that
Travis had said

672
00:24:14,539 --> 00:24:17,599
that I think this
notion of actively

673
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:18,949
teaching and learning

674
00:24:18,949 --> 00:24:20,810
how to respectfully
disagree.

675
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:21,920
I think it's
something you need

676
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,970
to do over and over again,

677
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:24,379
starting in middle
school all the way

678
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:25,879
to our daily practice
at university.

679
00:24:25,879 --> 00:24:29,494
So really inspired to
hear that is underway.

680
00:24:29,494 --> 00:24:31,430
So with that, think

681
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:32,239
about some questions you

682
00:24:32,239 --> 00:24:33,634
have for this great group.

683
00:24:33,634 --> 00:24:36,050
Drop them in the
Q and a section.

684
00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:38,329
And why don't we
then switched over

685
00:24:38,329 --> 00:24:40,894
to our next series
of speakers.

686
00:24:40,894 --> 00:24:42,509
Bill.

687
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,080
Hey, there, thank
you very much.

688
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,490
I really appreciate it.
That was wonderful.

689
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:57,529
Actually had me
thinking a lot about

690
00:24:57,529 --> 00:25:00,484
how it would be
fun to partner.

691
00:25:00,484 --> 00:25:03,409
And actually bringing
in seventies kind of

692
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:06,709
philosophical
questions and talk

693
00:25:06,709 --> 00:25:07,519
a little bit about some of

694
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:09,319
the brain regions are

695
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:10,879
networks that are
involved and are

696
00:25:10,879 --> 00:25:12,589
under development
in adolescence,

697
00:25:12,589 --> 00:25:14,089
for example, if I
consider these questions

698
00:25:14,089 --> 00:25:16,489
because I saw a
lot of overlap in

699
00:25:16,489 --> 00:25:18,079
terms of the questions

700
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:19,610
that we talk
about and discuss

701
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:21,799
like some of these
like deep sort of

702
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,215
philosophical issues
are something that,

703
00:25:24,215 --> 00:25:26,480
you know, anybody who's

704
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,740
working with
younger people

705
00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:29,359
in schools is
kinda encounter.

706
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,649
And that's what they're
really interested.

707
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:32,060
And they want to
know like, why

708
00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:33,425
am I the way I am and

709
00:25:33,425 --> 00:25:35,540
why do I feel the way

710
00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:37,765
I do and why do I
act the way I do?

711
00:25:37,765 --> 00:25:39,949
So we like to

712
00:25:39,949 --> 00:25:42,905
go to schools and
actually bring

713
00:25:42,905 --> 00:25:46,460
the actual physical
Oregon that's largely

714
00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:48,109
responsible for
these behaviors

715
00:25:48,109 --> 00:25:50,120
and abilities.

716
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,714
And I'm going to
share my screen here.

717
00:25:52,714 --> 00:25:55,790
And let's see if this
works. Here we go.

718
00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:58,010
Let's see, I'm going to
move this over here.

719
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:59,674
Let's see if this
will work here.

720
00:25:59,674 --> 00:26:00,800
Okay?

721
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,869
So we are, we're,

722
00:26:02,869 --> 00:26:04,594
we're really interested in

723
00:26:04,594 --> 00:26:07,349
the Portland
State University,

724
00:26:07,349 --> 00:26:08,980
you know, sort of slogan

725
00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:10,959
of Let knowledge serve.

726
00:26:10,959 --> 00:26:13,089
And for the last 10 years

727
00:26:13,089 --> 00:26:14,515
actually, my colleague,

728
00:26:14,515 --> 00:26:17,110
Jeff Leek and I,
along with many,

729
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:18,880
many of our undergraduates

730
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,335
and also graduate
students.

731
00:26:20,335 --> 00:26:21,954
And only for part
of the state,

732
00:26:21,954 --> 00:26:25,510
but also from
PCC, from LHS,

733
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:27,999
you from Washington
State University

734
00:26:27,999 --> 00:26:30,174
if Lower Columbia College
from all over the,

735
00:26:30,174 --> 00:26:32,979
the reason have
volunteer our time to

736
00:26:32,979 --> 00:26:35,680
just bring actual
real brain.

737
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,000
So we do have in this room

738
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,210
here and we take all
the road actually

739
00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:42,355
actual human
brain specimens

740
00:26:42,355 --> 00:26:44,319
that have been
donated so that we

741
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,349
can actually allow
kids to sort

742
00:26:47,349 --> 00:26:50,945
of examine directly
and Inspire.

743
00:26:50,945 --> 00:26:52,429
In that moment, you

744
00:26:52,429 --> 00:26:53,825
have to ask the
questions that they've

745
00:26:53,825 --> 00:26:56,884
gotten about the very
nature of who they are.

746
00:26:56,884 --> 00:26:58,189
So we're really
curious and

747
00:26:58,189 --> 00:26:59,330
how we inspire and learn

748
00:26:59,330 --> 00:27:00,529
from all of our
students and

749
00:27:00,529 --> 00:27:01,610
I mean all of them.

750
00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:04,159
So we like to

751
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:07,624
go to places where
there aren't,

752
00:27:07,624 --> 00:27:09,995
there isn't a lot of
existing programs.

753
00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:13,520
Where we go to houseless
youth organizations,

754
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,680
for example, like care
and downtown Portland.

755
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,139
Or we go primarily
public schools

756
00:27:18,139 --> 00:27:19,909
like sit in elementary
and or Berlin

757
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:21,259
where we were told that

758
00:27:21,259 --> 00:27:22,909
30 percent of the
kids actually came

759
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:26,615
from UNH housed kinds
of circumstances.

760
00:27:26,615 --> 00:27:28,400
And we're really
interested

761
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,040
in actually listening and

762
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,660
learning in those
circumstances

763
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:33,800
and figuring out
like what is

764
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,170
it that people
already know about

765
00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:37,700
their brains and
behavior and

766
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,919
what is it that they
would like to know?

767
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:41,720
And so weird North

768
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,985
was not going
over n w.org.

769
00:27:43,985 --> 00:27:45,410
And we're going to tell

770
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:46,520
you a little bit
about what we've

771
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,949
been up to lately.

772
00:27:48,949 --> 00:27:52,489
Let's see if I can get
this slide to advance.

773
00:27:52,489 --> 00:27:55,145
Oh, okay.

774
00:27:55,145 --> 00:27:57,904
I do it, but it
doesn't want to do it.

775
00:27:57,904 --> 00:28:00,890
Is this Jeff,

776
00:28:00,890 --> 00:28:02,329
do you want to try
sharing your screen?

777
00:28:02,329 --> 00:28:05,329
I'm doing it for somebody's.
My system is not

778
00:28:05,329 --> 00:28:10,399
something that you have
to stop first step.

779
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:14,245
Okay. I gotta find
that two there yet.

780
00:28:14,245 --> 00:28:14,705
Okay.

781
00:28:14,705 --> 00:28:22,310
So it's never
a good thing.

782
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:23,975
All right. Yeah. Yeah.

783
00:28:23,975 --> 00:28:25,279
No problem.

784
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:31,190
I just try to elicit an

785
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:34,849
excellent So if you

786
00:28:34,849 --> 00:28:35,885
want to make
it full screen

787
00:28:35,885 --> 00:28:36,919
or I guess it as
we'll see it.

788
00:28:36,919 --> 00:28:38,690
So we are, so we've been
doing this actually

789
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:39,739
literally be realized for

790
00:28:39,739 --> 00:28:41,030
ten years we've
been doing this.

791
00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:43,519
So this is our
10th year in 2022.

792
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:45,649
We are all volunteer,
everybody.

793
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:47,029
So all the students
are going to

794
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:49,580
be presenting their
experiences today.

795
00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:52,249
We've worked with, I
want to say hundreds and

796
00:28:52,249 --> 00:28:53,569
hundreds of
undergraduates and

797
00:28:53,569 --> 00:28:54,769
graduates over the years.

798
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:55,640
And we've met with

799
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,954
over 50000
community members

800
00:28:58,954 --> 00:29:01,385
across Portland
Public Schools,

801
00:29:01,385 --> 00:29:02,419
beavers in public schools,

802
00:29:02,419 --> 00:29:04,249
Hillsboro, Vancouver
public schools,

803
00:29:04,249 --> 00:29:07,130
but also across
the country

804
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:08,989
around the state
of Oregon,

805
00:29:08,989 --> 00:29:09,769
around the state of

806
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:11,659
Washington, in
Washington DC,

807
00:29:11,659 --> 00:29:13,729
in Chicago, in
Los Angeles,

808
00:29:13,729 --> 00:29:15,259
that all of this
has been volunteer.

809
00:29:15,259 --> 00:29:17,069
If you want to do next.

810
00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:21,245
Hey, there, yeah.

811
00:29:21,245 --> 00:29:24,515
So these are just
some images actually,

812
00:29:24,515 --> 00:29:27,260
we engage in a lot

813
00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:30,680
of art making when
we go places too.

814
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,029
And Jeff,

815
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:33,049
do you want I
mentioned a little bit

816
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:34,969
about the value
of art making

817
00:29:34,969 --> 00:29:39,485
and it's firing the
brain. Yeah, sure.

818
00:29:39,485 --> 00:29:41,704
So I, I am, I am,

819
00:29:41,704 --> 00:29:47,075
I particularly like
hearing about the art,

820
00:29:47,075 --> 00:29:50,330
art making in the
middle schools

821
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:53,629
from it in regards

822
00:29:53,629 --> 00:29:55,774
to philosophy, which
is really great.

823
00:29:55,774 --> 00:29:59,690
So a lot of times
what we do is we will

824
00:29:59,690 --> 00:30:01,009
go in and we really think

825
00:30:01,009 --> 00:30:03,545
about art making as a,

826
00:30:03,545 --> 00:30:06,680
as a fundamental
way for us to learn

827
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,760
about the world around us.

828
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,810
So we're really looking

829
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:16,699
at things of that kind of

830
00:30:16,699 --> 00:30:20,104
allow people to explore

831
00:30:20,104 --> 00:30:21,979
that sometimes very

832
00:30:21,979 --> 00:30:24,934
complex concepts
that will,

833
00:30:24,934 --> 00:30:28,399
that will discuss with
them in a way that

834
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:31,804
is personally
relevant to them.

835
00:30:31,804 --> 00:30:34,639
So, and also in a
way that, that,

836
00:30:34,639 --> 00:30:36,909
and it doesn't
necessarily need

837
00:30:36,909 --> 00:30:38,599
a single answer or

838
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,195
a single sort of
right approach.

839
00:30:41,195 --> 00:30:44,539
So we have very
open-ended kinds

840
00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:45,890
of art project site.

841
00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:47,690
I think the one
on here is that

842
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:49,250
a found object that

843
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:51,110
neuron people
were creating,

844
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:52,999
which are really kind of

845
00:30:52,999 --> 00:30:55,220
amazing to see what
people come up

846
00:30:55,220 --> 00:31:00,769
with an and not only
gives them a way

847
00:31:00,769 --> 00:31:06,469
to sort of kind of
discover these structures,

848
00:31:06,469 --> 00:31:08,284
but also allows them

849
00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:10,369
to say something
about themselves,

850
00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:15,619
who they are, and what
their interests are.

851
00:31:15,619 --> 00:31:17,404
So yeah.

852
00:31:17,404 --> 00:31:19,009
The next slide, Thank You.

853
00:31:19,009 --> 00:31:21,154
Got me nowhere.

854
00:31:21,154 --> 00:31:23,810
And so one of the
things we realized,

855
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:25,159
and like I'm actually

856
00:31:25,159 --> 00:31:27,499
starting the two of
us as adjunct faculty

857
00:31:27,499 --> 00:31:28,729
at many different
institutions

858
00:31:28,729 --> 00:31:30,005
was that we had like

859
00:31:30,005 --> 00:31:33,500
such extraordinary
students who knew so much.

860
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:34,730
And we're teaching
us as much

861
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:36,154
as we were sort
of teaching them.

862
00:31:36,154 --> 00:31:37,489
And we realize
that, you know,

863
00:31:37,489 --> 00:31:38,900
what they were doing.

864
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:40,430
Yeah, many of
them are actually

865
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:42,499
receiving NIH funds.

866
00:31:42,499 --> 00:31:44,195
Lhs you, for example, to,

867
00:31:44,195 --> 00:31:46,475
to study sleep
and the brain,

868
00:31:46,475 --> 00:31:47,854
anxiety and the brain

869
00:31:47,854 --> 00:31:49,070
depression of the brain,

870
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:50,554
ADHD in the brain,

871
00:31:50,554 --> 00:31:52,835
all these different
aspects, you know,

872
00:31:52,835 --> 00:31:54,920
of how we behave

873
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,324
and experience
ourselves in the world.

874
00:31:58,324 --> 00:32:02,030
And that has tremendous
relevance to,

875
00:32:02,030 --> 00:32:04,520
to, to everybody
January investment.

876
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,980
So one of these,

877
00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:08,989
as we also realize
that we all

878
00:32:08,989 --> 00:32:11,585
pay for all this research.

879
00:32:11,585 --> 00:32:13,040
And oftentimes that's kind

880
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,230
of difficult to access.

881
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:18,844
Paywall that piece,
that egg on our nature.

882
00:32:18,844 --> 00:32:20,150
Nature is charging like

883
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:22,594
$11 thousand to somebody

884
00:32:22,594 --> 00:32:23,915
if they want
to make their,

885
00:32:23,915 --> 00:32:25,400
their, their

886
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,600
probability there,
their article,

887
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,175
their research
article in Nature,

888
00:32:28,175 --> 00:32:29,630
public access.

889
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:32,389
So, so we, we
decided we needed to

890
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:36,920
actually we had sort of
a like a requirement.

891
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,479
I was funded by the NIH

892
00:32:38,479 --> 00:32:39,920
myself actually to go out

893
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,000
into the community and

894
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,295
explain what's going on.

895
00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:45,380
And also to like,

896
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:49,025
kind of learn like
how we talk about

897
00:32:49,025 --> 00:32:51,665
research discovery
and whether

898
00:32:51,665 --> 00:32:54,229
you have a language
than I was used to.

899
00:32:54,229 --> 00:32:55,759
We're learning in academic

900
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,740
environments
was relevance.

901
00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:59,359
And many of them
are better ways

902
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,014
or better ways to
sort of think about

903
00:33:02,014 --> 00:33:05,390
these topics and
research discoveries

904
00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:09,420
with feedback and
engagement from the public.

905
00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:12,289
I've had an iPhone.

906
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:15,064
So we've discovered
that, you know,

907
00:33:15,064 --> 00:33:19,609
and just like the
last group was,

908
00:33:19,609 --> 00:33:21,304
was was explaining that.

909
00:33:21,304 --> 00:33:23,404
Yeah, by actually bringing

910
00:33:23,404 --> 00:33:25,430
ourselves into places.

911
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:27,110
One of the things
we we kind

912
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:28,730
of didn't want to do

913
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:30,349
as much as this kind
of in race where

914
00:33:30,349 --> 00:33:32,300
people come to you
and come to campus.

915
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,600
But we found that it's
much more powerful if

916
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,669
you go places where

917
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:39,230
you are not at
all the expert,

918
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:40,489
where you actually have to

919
00:33:40,489 --> 00:33:42,020
like learn and
listen to what

920
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,970
people have to
tell you about

921
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:45,079
where they are coming

922
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:46,280
from and where they are.

923
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,089
You know, listen to

924
00:33:47,089 --> 00:33:48,184
the questions
that they have,

925
00:33:48,184 --> 00:33:50,839
are the interests that
they're, they have.

926
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,444
And then you end up with

927
00:33:52,444 --> 00:33:54,289
powerful sorts
of connections.

928
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:55,999
Again, like where somebody

929
00:33:55,999 --> 00:33:58,024
could sort of
see themselves,

930
00:33:58,024 --> 00:33:59,689
had this next level.

931
00:33:59,689 --> 00:34:00,979
I think they've
got like, Okay,

932
00:34:00,979 --> 00:34:02,810
give me I can study
the brain and I can,

933
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:04,249
and I can actually,
you know,

934
00:34:04,249 --> 00:34:05,424
ultimately get a job where

935
00:34:05,424 --> 00:34:07,879
I learned about
these discoveries or

936
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:08,990
make these discoveries

937
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:10,160
that that's very powerful

938
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,770
for kids to learn about.

939
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:14,840
So we get greater
understanding from this,

940
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,859
more support for

941
00:34:15,859 --> 00:34:17,179
research people
or don't really

942
00:34:17,179 --> 00:34:19,310
know what all this
federal funding

943
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:20,029
is being spent on in

944
00:34:20,029 --> 00:34:21,290
terms of neuroscience
research.

945
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:22,309
So it's really
interesting to,

946
00:34:22,309 --> 00:34:23,300
to go out there and tell

947
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:26,284
them directly increase
participation.

948
00:34:26,284 --> 00:34:29,149
So we're hoping to bring
in people who don't,

949
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:31,520
who have not necessarily
seeing themselves in

950
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,719
these sorts of

951
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,859
research and
academic positions.

952
00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:36,309
And make it clear
that this is

953
00:34:36,309 --> 00:34:38,290
an opportunity that
we would like you

954
00:34:38,290 --> 00:34:40,150
to get involved with
and that will challenge

955
00:34:40,150 --> 00:34:42,579
a lot of our own
confirmation biases.

956
00:34:42,579 --> 00:34:44,529
And that'll make
the research

957
00:34:44,529 --> 00:34:45,969
and what we
discover in how we

958
00:34:45,969 --> 00:34:47,919
practice in

959
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,690
the investigation of
the brain and behavior,

960
00:34:49,690 --> 00:34:51,220
you know, more,
more effective and,

961
00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:52,915
and kind of real.

962
00:34:52,915 --> 00:34:54,609
And we need to come up
with new directions.

963
00:34:54,609 --> 00:34:57,950
And it has a lot
of fun stuff.

964
00:34:58,050 --> 00:34:59,950
So just to give

965
00:34:59,950 --> 00:35:00,789
you a little bit
of the scope.

966
00:35:00,789 --> 00:35:01,540
So we work with

967
00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:03,835
academic priority
K5 students.

968
00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:06,264
We've worked in urban
and rural communities.

969
00:35:06,264 --> 00:35:08,500
We work with tribal
literary schools.

970
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,079
We had a Spirit Mountain
Community grant

971
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:12,219
where we actually had

972
00:35:12,219 --> 00:35:14,860
a grad student
from always just

973
00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:17,600
use studying corvid oh,

974
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,979
and Raven brains and,

975
00:35:18,979 --> 00:35:20,870
and was saying
things like, Oh,

976
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:24,170
we've discovered
that these birds

977
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:26,180
use language and
tools were think you

978
00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:28,670
did not discover
that people

979
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:29,779
have been observing

980
00:35:29,779 --> 00:35:31,580
animal behavior
for millennia.

981
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:33,740
And so we ended
up going to

982
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:36,169
a number of schools with

983
00:35:36,169 --> 00:35:38,449
a drummer and storyteller

984
00:35:38,449 --> 00:35:40,189
who told lot of
these tales and

985
00:35:40,189 --> 00:35:41,809
animals then be
examined many of

986
00:35:41,809 --> 00:35:43,400
these brains and asked

987
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,884
lots of questions
and made art.

988
00:35:44,884 --> 00:35:47,090
Surrounding this
whole process,

989
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:48,380
we have young
graduate researchers,

990
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:49,280
undergraduates,

991
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,529
houseless youth
incarcerated youth,

992
00:35:51,529 --> 00:35:53,119
artists, painters,
dancers,

993
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,169
storytellers, musicians,

994
00:35:54,169 --> 00:35:55,789
poets, community
organizations,

995
00:35:55,789 --> 00:35:58,860
area businesses and
members of the public.

996
00:36:00,430 --> 00:36:02,480
And then you
want to follow

997
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,709
the war on our brains.

998
00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:06,994
Yeah.

999
00:36:06,994 --> 00:36:11,615
So I, I think the
other thing too.

1000
00:36:11,615 --> 00:36:14,915
So in addition to

1001
00:36:14,915 --> 00:36:16,865
kind of motivation
and engagement,

1002
00:36:16,865 --> 00:36:18,080
one of the things that,

1003
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,834
that we found is

1004
00:36:19,834 --> 00:36:25,640
that making artwork and

1005
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,400
then looking at other
people's artwork,

1006
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,789
really, it is a way

1007
00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:34,895
for people to be
truly kind of scene.

1008
00:36:34,895 --> 00:36:39,635
And so it increases

1009
00:36:39,635 --> 00:36:41,930
a sense of
connectedness and,

1010
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:46,820
and empathy between
each other.

1011
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:49,760
We, we did we did

1012
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,109
a project a little

1013
00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:55,985
while ago with
a pair which

1014
00:36:55,985 --> 00:36:58,894
homeless youth
center downtown.

1015
00:36:58,894 --> 00:37:03,199
And we actually
had them work on,

1016
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,080
on making, making
a sculpture.

1017
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,869
And that was
actually then shown

1018
00:37:08,869 --> 00:37:12,314
to local policymakers
with me.

1019
00:37:12,314 --> 00:37:18,759
I invited in and it
really helps see,

1020
00:37:18,759 --> 00:37:21,190
really help them to

1021
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:23,319
see other people
as people.

1022
00:37:23,319 --> 00:37:25,570
And so, so that's,

1023
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:29,874
that's another kind of
aspect than reason why

1024
00:37:29,874 --> 00:37:31,449
we think are so

1025
00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:35,420
important to this
conversation.

1026
00:37:38,070 --> 00:37:40,420
And this is actually
the gyrus just

1027
00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:42,220
talking about this
as a, you know,

1028
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:44,065
an opportunity to
bring together

1029
00:37:44,065 --> 00:37:45,520
researchers, clinicians,

1030
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,320
policymakers, but
also houseless

1031
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,809
youth themselves as
equal participants.

1032
00:37:49,809 --> 00:37:51,579
And it was
actually based on

1033
00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:54,690
neuroscience research
that examines how

1034
00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:57,319
many of us don't
see people

1035
00:37:57,319 --> 00:37:58,820
necessarily as

1036
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:00,439
your other fellow
human beings.

1037
00:38:00,439 --> 00:38:01,820
And it was brand new

1038
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:03,349
to some of you for
telling us they

1039
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:04,249
couldn't understand how

1040
00:38:04,249 --> 00:38:05,299
somebody could just look

1041
00:38:05,299 --> 00:38:08,059
at a 15-year-old on

1042
00:38:08,059 --> 00:38:10,175
the street who is clearly

1043
00:38:10,175 --> 00:38:11,930
in distress and
just sort of walk

1044
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:13,789
by them or look
as if they didn't

1045
00:38:13,789 --> 00:38:15,800
exist or if they did,

1046
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,849
they were not
something, they were

1047
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:18,934
not somehow fellow humans.

1048
00:38:18,934 --> 00:38:20,750
And there's something

1049
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:22,744
called dehumanized
perception and

1050
00:38:22,744 --> 00:38:24,650
involves actually
areas of the brain

1051
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,034
that should be engaged,

1052
00:38:27,034 --> 00:38:28,520
networks that should
be engaged when

1053
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,379
you're appreciating
somebody else.

1054
00:38:30,379 --> 00:38:32,030
But they're not
in those cases.

1055
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:33,889
Soviet, we were talking
about how, you know,

1056
00:38:33,889 --> 00:38:35,360
if somebody's
house looseness

1057
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,309
and the housing crisis.

1058
00:38:37,309 --> 00:38:39,050
Not just affecting
the brains of

1059
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,550
those who are on house,

1060
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:42,530
but it's impacting
all our brains.

1061
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:44,210
But one way to actually

1062
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:46,129
kind of switch on those
networks and make

1063
00:38:46,129 --> 00:38:48,289
people aware is to

1064
00:38:48,289 --> 00:38:51,469
actually engage in the
sharing of artworks

1065
00:38:51,469 --> 00:38:54,859
and the inclusion in
events like this of

1066
00:38:54,859 --> 00:38:59,824
individuals as equal
partners in that May,

1067
00:38:59,824 --> 00:39:02,100
we had an
extraordinary time.

1068
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:05,149
We got many, many

1069
00:39:05,149 --> 00:39:07,069
rural outreach
places actually.

1070
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:09,499
So we learn lots

1071
00:39:09,499 --> 00:39:11,689
baby goats in the
classroom and we were

1072
00:39:11,689 --> 00:39:12,739
holding brains and things

1073
00:39:12,739 --> 00:39:14,870
like that to ethics.

1074
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:17,179
I want to show
you're right. We we

1075
00:39:17,179 --> 00:39:20,104
did recently with 30,

1076
00:39:20,104 --> 00:39:21,680
which is a federal
program has been

1077
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,179
around since the
Johnson administration.

1078
00:39:23,179 --> 00:39:27,439
But we went to Astoria
and CSI or many,

1079
00:39:27,439 --> 00:39:28,699
many high schools
and go to

1080
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,980
the next one here.

1081
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:33,305
So it's cool, is that like

1082
00:39:33,305 --> 00:39:37,385
all these different
places fit us.

1083
00:39:37,385 --> 00:39:40,939
How's does offer us
all of the support.

1084
00:39:40,939 --> 00:39:43,639
And then we would go
in every day and work

1085
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:44,749
with kids in

1086
00:39:44,749 --> 00:39:46,534
the community and
community public schools,

1087
00:39:46,534 --> 00:39:49,009
you know, for almost
a week actually.

1088
00:39:49,009 --> 00:39:50,240
And it fills like

1089
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,309
tremendous kind of
community connection.

1090
00:39:52,309 --> 00:39:53,569
They were really
excited about rules

1091
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:57,570
say, okay, the next one.

1092
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,280
And the questions
that need to

1093
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,959
be less every week,

1094
00:40:02,959 --> 00:40:04,640
we could drop in the chat.

1095
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,290
Actually, if
you're curious,

1096
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:08,119
we're even looking
at all the questions

1097
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:09,740
that students ask,

1098
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:11,390
but they're very deep

1099
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:12,710
and they're very
interesting.

1100
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:14,120
And we got lots
of folks who were

1101
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,309
actually studying,
for example,

1102
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:18,110
alcoholism design Valley,

1103
00:40:18,110 --> 00:40:19,159
they're studying alcohol,

1104
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:20,610
the brain, for
example, are

1105
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:22,115
there and ready
and present.

1106
00:40:22,115 --> 00:40:23,510
They can have
a discussion.

1107
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:26,345
So it really is quite
a powerful experience

1108
00:40:26,345 --> 00:40:29,339
answering personally
relevant questions.

1109
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:34,140
We've been a
professional facilities.

1110
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:39,200
We got Society for
Neuroscience conferences,

1111
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:39,410
right?

1112
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:42,140
So we present our work
and then when we do,

1113
00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:46,070
we always also head out
into the community.

1114
00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:47,749
So we'll go to

1115
00:40:47,749 --> 00:40:49,354
Chicago public schools or

1116
00:40:49,354 --> 00:40:51,725
go to San Diego schools.

1117
00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:53,609
Go to the next one here.

1118
00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:57,275
We visit all
different places

1119
00:40:57,275 --> 00:40:58,849
when we're actually
at these conferences.

1120
00:40:58,849 --> 00:41:01,099
It slightly newer
ones asset to be on

1121
00:41:01,099 --> 00:41:02,675
a panel about outreach

1122
00:41:02,675 --> 00:41:04,145
at the Society
for Neuroscience.

1123
00:41:04,145 --> 00:41:05,930
She said, Well, why

1124
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:07,220
don't we do
outreach and just,

1125
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:08,929
not just say if you
were to talk about it,

1126
00:41:08,929 --> 00:41:11,010
but actually go
out and do it.

1127
00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:15,380
We've also, when
we've been in DC,

1128
00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:17,929
actually got into
the capital.

1129
00:41:17,929 --> 00:41:19,850
And we go from one

1130
00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:22,024
of our folks made a
bi-partisan neuron.

1131
00:41:22,024 --> 00:41:23,420
But we actually
literally, yeah,

1132
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:24,440
this was a couple
years ago I

1133
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,760
was under the Obama
administration.

1134
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,870
We had above Republicans

1135
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:31,385
and Democrats working on

1136
00:41:31,385 --> 00:41:33,829
pipeline or
neurons together.

1137
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:34,640
And they said
it was one of

1138
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,199
the most
well-attended kind

1139
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:39,110
of events.

1140
00:41:39,110 --> 00:41:40,820
It was the Congressional
neuroscience

1141
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:42,079
and seen briefings that we

1142
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,505
gave and bread that

1143
00:41:46,505 --> 00:41:47,719
I like to turn this over

1144
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,730
to to talk about
your experiences.

1145
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:54,710
Already, I
prepared a slide.

1146
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:56,179
I think it should
be in there.

1147
00:41:56,179 --> 00:41:58,009
Next one.

1148
00:41:58,009 --> 00:41:59,345
Next one, Beautiful.

1149
00:41:59,345 --> 00:42:00,605
Alright, yes, thank you.

1150
00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:03,139
I kinda wanted to start
this off with a quote

1151
00:42:03,139 --> 00:42:05,929
that was from a paper
that I've been using.

1152
00:42:05,929 --> 00:42:07,670
I'm in the Honors
College and I'm

1153
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:09,319
working on a
program somewhat

1154
00:42:09,319 --> 00:42:11,434
similar to
Northwest sorry.

1155
00:42:11,434 --> 00:42:13,429
Here we go.
Somewhat similar

1156
00:42:13,429 --> 00:42:14,539
to Northwest noggin.

1157
00:42:14,539 --> 00:42:15,560
And so when I was writing

1158
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,910
my prospectus,
my proposal,

1159
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:18,364
I came across
this paper of

1160
00:42:18,364 --> 00:42:20,014
a woman with
schizophrenia who worked

1161
00:42:20,014 --> 00:42:21,604
as a peer advocate

1162
00:42:21,604 --> 00:42:23,750
for other people
with schizophrenia.

1163
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:25,099
And at the beginning
of this paper

1164
00:42:25,099 --> 00:42:27,409
discussing peer
support and

1165
00:42:27,409 --> 00:42:29,060
knowledge and
knowledge about

1166
00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:30,949
medications and a lot

1167
00:42:30,949 --> 00:42:32,450
of very complicated
things.

1168
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:33,800
She had this quote or

1169
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,750
a few years ago
when I was more L,

1170
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:36,679
I read somewhere that

1171
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:37,789
when an initial diagnosis

1172
00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:39,049
of mental illness is made,

1173
00:42:39,049 --> 00:42:39,830
what should happen is

1174
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:40,729
that the doctor
should give

1175
00:42:40,729 --> 00:42:41,809
the diagnosis and give

1176
00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:42,980
some basic
information about

1177
00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:44,255
the illness and
the treatment.

1178
00:42:44,255 --> 00:42:45,544
Then the doctor
should walk

1179
00:42:45,544 --> 00:42:46,579
out of the room and

1180
00:42:46,579 --> 00:42:47,899
a person with
that diagnosis

1181
00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:48,860
should walk in and say,

1182
00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:50,884
I have this illness
and I have a life.

1183
00:42:50,884 --> 00:42:52,790
I have some really
good things going for

1184
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:55,040
me on the other side
of this diagnosis.

1185
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,569
For me, the most

1186
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:58,220
powerful Northwest
noggin events that I've

1187
00:42:58,220 --> 00:43:00,290
attended were at pathways

1188
00:43:00,290 --> 00:43:01,520
residential
treatment facility,

1189
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,140
which is a rehab
facility for

1190
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:04,819
people with substance
use disorder.

1191
00:43:04,819 --> 00:43:06,530
And alliance high school
with just kinda like

1192
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:08,690
an alternative
high school for

1193
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:12,020
students who need
additional support

1194
00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:13,159
and support in different
ways from like

1195
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:14,615
your typical high
school student.

1196
00:43:14,615 --> 00:43:16,460
And it was really

1197
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:17,660
important to me because I

1198
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:19,054
think we discussed
this a little bit.

1199
00:43:19,054 --> 00:43:20,419
But my big issues with

1200
00:43:20,419 --> 00:43:21,949
psychology and
neuroscience is

1201
00:43:21,949 --> 00:43:23,510
that a lot of the
information that we

1202
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:26,330
gather is locked behind
paywalls and jargon.

1203
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:28,609
Like from an
objective perspective

1204
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:30,140
from a Western culture,

1205
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:31,490
we are in a golden age of

1206
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:32,569
possibility for people

1207
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:33,650
living with
mental illness.

1208
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:34,850
We're new treatments

1209
00:43:34,850 --> 00:43:35,870
are coming out
all the time.

1210
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:36,710
The medications are being

1211
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:38,030
designed all the time.

1212
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:40,579
You can contact people
with your illness in

1213
00:43:40,579 --> 00:43:41,870
a way that was never

1214
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:43,460
possible before
the Internet.

1215
00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:46,250
And yet oftentimes,
people who are

1216
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:47,300
most impacted by

1217
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,114
these discoveries
don't hear it.

1218
00:43:49,114 --> 00:43:50,720
And they're not sat

1219
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,639
down and told about
these things.

1220
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:54,230
And they're not
given the space to

1221
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:54,979
discuss

1222
00:43:54,979 --> 00:43:56,899
neuroscience because
it's assumed that

1223
00:43:56,899 --> 00:43:58,189
They're not capable of it

1224
00:43:58,189 --> 00:43:59,825
or they wouldn't
care about it.

1225
00:43:59,825 --> 00:44:03,515
And these two experiences

1226
00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:05,645
proved that's not true.

1227
00:44:05,645 --> 00:44:07,579
And being able
to sit down,

1228
00:44:07,579 --> 00:44:09,439
one of the most
memorable experiences I

1229
00:44:09,439 --> 00:44:11,719
think of my entire college
career happened at

1230
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,860
alliance high
school and they're

1231
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:14,239
talking and there
was a student

1232
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,030
you started bringing
up his difficulty with

1233
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:18,769
substance use
and he started

1234
00:44:18,769 --> 00:44:19,879
talking about asking

1235
00:44:19,879 --> 00:44:21,229
questions about
it in the brain.

1236
00:44:21,229 --> 00:44:22,955
And Bill looked
at him and said,

1237
00:44:22,955 --> 00:44:25,055
You probably know more
about this than I do.

1238
00:44:25,055 --> 00:44:27,380
And that means a lot

1239
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,269
to have somebody who
was a professional

1240
00:44:29,269 --> 00:44:30,890
be willing to sit
down and have

1241
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:32,719
a dialogue with people

1242
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,640
living with
these problems.

1243
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,489
Like the image that
is attach this slide

1244
00:44:37,489 --> 00:44:40,054
is actually a civil gel,

1245
00:44:40,054 --> 00:44:41,359
a silver gelatin print.

1246
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:42,860
It's tinted that I did

1247
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:45,155
while before my Northwest
noggin days trying

1248
00:44:45,155 --> 00:44:46,760
to express a similar idea

1249
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,160
of rising through
knowledge in,

1250
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,900
through empowerment that I

1251
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:52,699
think Northwest
noggin delivers in

1252
00:44:52,699 --> 00:44:54,950
a way that most
non-profits

1253
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:56,915
that try to focus
on science don't,

1254
00:44:56,915 --> 00:44:58,400
because of the
dialogue that

1255
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,229
is fostered in its,

1256
00:45:00,229 --> 00:45:03,619
I cannot express how
important that is.

1257
00:45:03,619 --> 00:45:05,629
And I'm very
grateful that I have

1258
00:45:05,629 --> 00:45:08,104
the opportunity
to work in,

1259
00:45:08,104 --> 00:45:10,820
do this and see

1260
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:11,599
Anna also is going to have

1261
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:12,919
some really awesome
things to say about it.

1262
00:45:12,919 --> 00:45:15,125
So I'm looking forward
to hearing her piece.

1263
00:45:15,125 --> 00:45:16,190
Right.

1264
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:21,350
Thank you. Yeah. You're
definitely NetFlow.

1265
00:45:21,350 --> 00:45:23,359
Thank you.

1266
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:26,040
That was wonderful.

1267
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:30,590
Yeah. So hi, my
name is Jenna.

1268
00:45:30,590 --> 00:45:32,885
I'm a scientific artist

1269
00:45:32,885 --> 00:45:34,849
and an undergrad
transferring to

1270
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:37,264
PSU this fall when

1271
00:45:37,264 --> 00:45:39,590
I first worked with
Northwest noggin,

1272
00:45:39,590 --> 00:45:41,090
it was as an
artist back in

1273
00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:43,970
2017 when I
pair it up with

1274
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:45,590
Dr. Brittany Outbrain to

1275
00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:47,690
do a discussion about how

1276
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:50,419
an eight-week
mindfulness intervention

1277
00:45:50,419 --> 00:45:52,309
decreased my
own experience,

1278
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:54,229
my own symptoms
of depression,

1279
00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:56,780
and how she could
track those changes.

1280
00:45:56,780 --> 00:46:01,070
The EEG, I created a
number ASME drawing.

1281
00:46:01,070 --> 00:46:03,359
Actually, can you go
to the next slide?

1282
00:46:03,610 --> 00:46:07,039
So that's my brain up
there in EEG after

1283
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:08,509
an eight week course in

1284
00:46:08,509 --> 00:46:10,429
mindfulness-based stress
direction therapy.

1285
00:46:10,429 --> 00:46:11,629
And below it is

1286
00:46:11,629 --> 00:46:13,474
a number as I'm
drawing I created

1287
00:46:13,474 --> 00:46:15,139
based on the data
is actually drawn

1288
00:46:15,139 --> 00:46:17,165
with the numbers
from our study.

1289
00:46:17,165 --> 00:46:18,634
And in our presentation,

1290
00:46:18,634 --> 00:46:20,795
I shared my
personal experience

1291
00:46:20,795 --> 00:46:22,850
with depression
and self-care.

1292
00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:25,220
And Britney shared
the science

1293
00:46:25,220 --> 00:46:27,004
about it and her
own research.

1294
00:46:27,004 --> 00:46:29,449
And we presented
this talk at

1295
00:46:29,449 --> 00:46:30,799
three different
occasions to

1296
00:46:30,799 --> 00:46:32,390
a variety of audiences,

1297
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:33,920
many of which didn't have

1298
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,350
a scientific
background whatsoever.

1299
00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:39,409
And I think the really
wonderful thing about

1300
00:46:39,409 --> 00:46:40,519
these events was the

1301
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,604
unique combination of art

1302
00:46:42,604 --> 00:46:44,719
and science helped people

1303
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,309
in the room who are
struggling with

1304
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:49,204
depression and other
mental illnesses

1305
00:46:49,204 --> 00:46:51,259
that they've helped
make them feel

1306
00:46:51,259 --> 00:46:53,089
comfortable with sharing

1307
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:55,969
their own symptoms
of depression and

1308
00:46:55,969 --> 00:46:58,490
to discuss resources and

1309
00:46:58,490 --> 00:47:01,339
skills with a bunch
of strangers.

1310
00:47:01,339 --> 00:47:02,119
That was

1311
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:03,770
a really incredible
experience as an artist.

1312
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:03,980
And I was

1313
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:06,159
my first introduction
to Northwestern login.

1314
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:07,580
By the way, I was a fan of

1315
00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:10,204
Northwest Oregon
before this event.

1316
00:47:10,204 --> 00:47:12,259
But then I've
since returned to

1317
00:47:12,259 --> 00:47:13,790
volunteer with
Northwest login as

1318
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:15,859
a students at
the detox center

1319
00:47:15,859 --> 00:47:16,850
or bridges the pathways

1320
00:47:16,850 --> 00:47:18,379
which bread dimensions.

1321
00:47:18,379 --> 00:47:20,749
We fielded questions about

1322
00:47:20,749 --> 00:47:23,330
the brain that were
directly related to

1323
00:47:23,330 --> 00:47:25,850
their lived experience
and current struggles

1324
00:47:25,850 --> 00:47:27,500
with mental
health illnesses

1325
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,105
and substance abuse.

1326
00:47:29,105 --> 00:47:31,430
And these are
questions like,

1327
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:34,100
can I teach my
brain to stop

1328
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,439
having nightmares
about using

1329
00:47:36,439 --> 00:47:39,590
or does having
schizophrenia mean

1330
00:47:39,590 --> 00:47:40,940
that your children will

1331
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:43,504
also definitely
have schizophrenia?

1332
00:47:43,504 --> 00:47:46,534
And we, the whole
panel of us respond to

1333
00:47:46,534 --> 00:47:49,730
these questions
based on science.

1334
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:53,630
But our explanations
weren't full of jargon,

1335
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:55,924
so they were accessible
and understandable.

1336
00:47:55,924 --> 00:47:57,889
And I think that they

1337
00:47:57,889 --> 00:48:00,440
offered the client's
useful information.

1338
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,005
And generally
speaking, some hope,

1339
00:48:03,005 --> 00:48:05,149
because a big point of

1340
00:48:05,149 --> 00:48:07,280
the talk was about
neurogenesis and

1341
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,274
neural plasticity and how

1342
00:48:09,274 --> 00:48:11,675
habit and experience
shapes the brain.

1343
00:48:11,675 --> 00:48:12,770
And that you're
not necessarily

1344
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:14,240
stuck where you are.

1345
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,844
This was at,

1346
00:48:15,844 --> 00:48:16,969
you've actually go
to the next slide.

1347
00:48:16,969 --> 00:48:21,889
Sorry. Yeah,
Barry, I'm there.

1348
00:48:21,889 --> 00:48:23,959
This was my
first experience

1349
00:48:23,959 --> 00:48:25,764
working with my peers.

1350
00:48:25,764 --> 00:48:27,439
We weren't amazing
for me during

1351
00:48:27,439 --> 00:48:29,345
this time that
it's remote.

1352
00:48:29,345 --> 00:48:31,609
And this was my first
time working with

1353
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:33,919
people in a setting where

1354
00:48:33,919 --> 00:48:37,459
they really were in a
really distinct place

1355
00:48:37,459 --> 00:48:38,569
of need to get

1356
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:40,970
this information so
deeply rewarding.

1357
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:43,429
And it's something that
if you participate,

1358
00:48:43,429 --> 00:48:44,960
you immediately want to go

1359
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,915
back and volunteer more
and events like this,

1360
00:48:47,915 --> 00:48:49,774
which I intend to do.

1361
00:48:49,774 --> 00:48:52,024
And lastly, I just
want to note that.

1362
00:48:52,024 --> 00:48:53,869
So before I did

1363
00:48:53,869 --> 00:48:55,880
my first talk with
Northwest noggin,

1364
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,579
I felt like an outsider
to science even

1365
00:48:58,579 --> 00:49:01,429
though I am I scientific
artist, self-taught.

1366
00:49:01,429 --> 00:49:02,450
And so I felt
like I was on

1367
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:04,519
the outside of academia in

1368
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:05,660
science and it
was a really

1369
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:08,225
difficult trends
like a different

1370
00:49:08,225 --> 00:49:11,210
Barrier to approach, but

1371
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:14,404
working with a real
life scientist,

1372
00:49:14,404 --> 00:49:16,325
Britney and her lab,

1373
00:49:16,325 --> 00:49:19,699
and seeing how her data
immediately reached

1374
00:49:19,699 --> 00:49:21,935
an affected real people

1375
00:49:21,935 --> 00:49:23,809
changed things for me,

1376
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:25,099
like it opened a door for

1377
00:49:25,099 --> 00:49:26,689
me to academia
and science.

1378
00:49:26,689 --> 00:49:30,004
That's really hard for
me to articulate how,

1379
00:49:30,004 --> 00:49:31,130
but it made that world

1380
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:32,749
several steps
closer to me.

1381
00:49:32,749 --> 00:49:35,240
And I think I know greatly

1382
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,580
contributed to
the fact that so

1383
00:49:37,580 --> 00:49:40,505
last year I went back
to school and now I am

1384
00:49:40,505 --> 00:49:43,040
a non-traditional

1385
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,670
first-generation
college student

1386
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:48,290
going for a bachelor's of

1387
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:50,030
science and biology and

1388
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:51,799
psychology with the
hopes of getting a

1389
00:49:51,799 --> 00:49:54,559
master's in scientific
communication.

1390
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,555
And I think it's really,

1391
00:49:56,555 --> 00:49:58,850
really clear to
me how Northwest

1392
00:49:58,850 --> 00:50:02,315
noggin helps shape thought
experience for me.

1393
00:50:02,315 --> 00:50:04,519
And then I gone on
for a little bit.

1394
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:05,660
But the last thing
I want to say is

1395
00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:06,830
these two examples that I

1396
00:50:06,830 --> 00:50:09,604
have show the beauty of
Northwest know again,

1397
00:50:09,604 --> 00:50:11,540
because they're
talking about

1398
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:14,149
really complex
concepts about

1399
00:50:14,149 --> 00:50:17,510
neuroscience
that are deeply

1400
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:19,864
important to our
lived experience.

1401
00:50:19,864 --> 00:50:21,649
To people who
aren't generally

1402
00:50:21,649 --> 00:50:23,869
expected to be part
of the conversation.

1403
00:50:23,869 --> 00:50:26,150
They, they're not
expected culturally to

1404
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:27,500
even understand or have

1405
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:28,969
anything to
contribute to it.

1406
00:50:28,969 --> 00:50:31,460
Be artists or people

1407
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:33,709
who are struggling
with substance abuse,

1408
00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,945
or who are homeless
or who are children.

1409
00:50:35,945 --> 00:50:37,339
And I think that

1410
00:50:37,339 --> 00:50:39,440
culturally we're
missing the mark and

1411
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,059
not engaging
people earlier

1412
00:50:41,059 --> 00:50:43,460
and more often
in the science.

1413
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:47,974
And where I'm trying
to be too critical,

1414
00:50:47,974 --> 00:50:50,104
but kind of
failing in that.

1415
00:50:50,104 --> 00:50:51,620
We have all of this

1416
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:54,499
really wonderful data to

1417
00:50:54,499 --> 00:50:55,925
share with people
that could

1418
00:50:55,925 --> 00:50:57,799
greatly improve
their life.

1419
00:50:57,799 --> 00:50:59,389
And we tend to have
these barriers,

1420
00:50:59,389 --> 00:51:00,649
I think Northwest
knock and helps

1421
00:51:00,649 --> 00:51:03,559
break those
socioeconomic barriers.

1422
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:05,744
So thank you.

1423
00:51:05,744 --> 00:51:07,024
Thank you.

1424
00:51:07,024 --> 00:51:09,269
Yeah, thank you.

1425
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:12,184
Alright.

1426
00:51:12,184 --> 00:51:16,560
I think we are, we
are we going I guess?

1427
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:20,599
I mean, it's stuff
that's been yeah.

1428
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:21,680
Bill,

1429
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,089
It's totally okay if
you want to talk about

1430
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:26,975
your pipe cleaners
worldview,

1431
00:51:26,975 --> 00:51:31,589
we might want to
cut that out.

1432
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:35,089
Well, anyway,
thank you all.

1433
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:36,260
This is really amazing.

1434
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:38,149
And I think I just
have to say, I love.

1435
00:51:38,149 --> 00:51:40,309
And at this moment where
I'm sitting here in

1436
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:43,100
my brain is turning of
all the intersections.

1437
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:44,269
I think it was Bill

1438
00:51:44,269 --> 00:51:45,545
who originally said
there's so much

1439
00:51:45,545 --> 00:51:47,030
parallels an
overlap between

1440
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:49,144
Northwest login and what?

1441
00:51:49,144 --> 00:51:51,260
The ethics group
and Cassie group

1442
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:53,615
we're presenting and
absolutely true.

1443
00:51:53,615 --> 00:51:55,995
Yeah, that's a
really exciting

1444
00:51:55,995 --> 00:51:57,050
and also kudos

1445
00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:58,219
amazing work from
the students.

1446
00:51:58,219 --> 00:51:59,390
This is again one

1447
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:00,859
of our first panels
with students,

1448
00:52:00,859 --> 00:52:02,164
and it just
shows, I think,

1449
00:52:02,164 --> 00:52:04,685
that the significance
of what PSE students

1450
00:52:04,685 --> 00:52:06,380
do here as part

1451
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:07,654
of their work and
collaboration.

1452
00:52:07,654 --> 00:52:09,320
And I just really awesome.

1453
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,835
So thank you all
for joining that.

1454
00:52:10,835 --> 00:52:12,259
We don't have
a ton of time,

1455
00:52:12,259 --> 00:52:13,430
but we have at least a

1456
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:14,870
few questions have
been popped up.

1457
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:16,670
Now, one that was sent
into me was really,

1458
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:18,019
lots of folks are
really, you know,

1459
00:52:18,019 --> 00:52:19,099
one thing that's
really clear

1460
00:52:19,099 --> 00:52:20,659
and one thing I do
want to notice right

1461
00:52:20,659 --> 00:52:23,780
away is that I was
trying to I lost count.

1462
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:25,160
I was actually
trying to count on

1463
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,330
a little scorecard
the number of

1464
00:52:26,330 --> 00:52:27,889
times in all your talks,

1465
00:52:27,889 --> 00:52:28,970
you either mentioned

1466
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:31,129
dialogue or conversation.

1467
00:52:31,129 --> 00:52:32,869
And, and I just thought,

1468
00:52:32,869 --> 00:52:34,910
what a refreshing
moment we're in to

1469
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:35,929
sort of acknowledge
that we

1470
00:52:35,929 --> 00:52:37,070
need to start earlier.

1471
00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:37,819
And I think maybe it

1472
00:52:37,819 --> 00:52:39,559
was Tiana are encouraging

1473
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:40,759
us that we failed little

1474
00:52:40,759 --> 00:52:42,200
bit not being out
there soon enough.

1475
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,344
And I just have
to totally agree.

1476
00:52:44,344 --> 00:52:45,994
And so I love
to hear that.

1477
00:52:45,994 --> 00:52:47,150
So with that, I mean,

1478
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:48,109
folks are little
interested

1479
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:49,204
in some of the, you know,

1480
00:52:49,204 --> 00:52:51,410
these are partnerships
between to kiss you

1481
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:54,379
and you need to
K12 or outreach.

1482
00:52:54,379 --> 00:52:55,549
And so folks are
wondering how

1483
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:56,869
some of that ever
came together.

1484
00:52:56,869 --> 00:52:58,535
So this question of who,

1485
00:52:58,535 --> 00:53:01,820
who do you choose which
schools to partner

1486
00:53:01,820 --> 00:53:02,839
with and weight and I'm

1487
00:53:02,839 --> 00:53:04,070
sure Northwest

1488
00:53:04,070 --> 00:53:05,120
talk and you've been
around ten years,

1489
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,635
I'm sure that's
evolved over time.

1490
00:53:06,635 --> 00:53:07,399
So I think there's

1491
00:53:07,399 --> 00:53:09,290
just if you could
just maybe reflect

1492
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:10,564
a little bit on sort of

1493
00:53:10,564 --> 00:53:11,359
the nature of how

1494
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,040
you're you're choosing
who to partner with.

1495
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,029
I'd be curious to

1496
00:53:14,029 --> 00:53:15,800
the same ethics
grouping ethics,

1497
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,540
mom, how that
partnership company?

1498
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:23,030
Yeah. Well, I mean,

1499
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:25,399
it's kind of
interesting for us

1500
00:53:25,399 --> 00:53:28,789
because that Bill
and I are kids,

1501
00:53:28,789 --> 00:53:30,800
went to school
together and we met on

1502
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,329
the playground and we just

1503
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:34,324
discussed doing
this one summer.

1504
00:53:34,324 --> 00:53:37,039
And we we talk

1505
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:38,840
to what was then

1506
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,780
the sun program
at at that school

1507
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:45,499
was Sabin Elementary
and we did it that

1508
00:53:45,499 --> 00:53:47,300
one summer and then pull

1509
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:50,399
just kept asking
us to do it.

1510
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:53,960
It snowballed
into something

1511
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,239
that I don't think we
ever really intended,

1512
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,835
but we just kept going
and going with it.

1513
00:54:01,835 --> 00:54:03,889
And we'd been all
over the place.

1514
00:54:03,889 --> 00:54:08,689
Now if we definitely
look for places that,

1515
00:54:08,689 --> 00:54:10,009
you know, one of
the things that

1516
00:54:10,009 --> 00:54:11,239
we were actually going
through a number of

1517
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,299
places now that are our
own State University.

1518
00:54:14,299 --> 00:54:16,339
Nine participants
have gotten

1519
00:54:16,339 --> 00:54:18,529
jobs actually working in

1520
00:54:18,529 --> 00:54:20,750
public schools
and actually all

1521
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:23,540
around the country
and states.

1522
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:25,100
So Jordan Ray, who

1523
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:26,885
graduated about
three years ago,

1524
00:54:26,885 --> 00:54:29,074
Just 500 graduate
program at

1525
00:54:29,074 --> 00:54:31,130
Eastern Oregon
University and is now

1526
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:32,484
teaching in the
grand public school.

1527
00:54:32,484 --> 00:54:33,395
So we're going to be.

1528
00:54:33,395 --> 00:54:36,080
We're planning in the
spring to go ahead to

1529
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,549
Legrand with

1530
00:54:37,549 --> 00:54:39,080
a round house foundation
grant, hopefully.

1531
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,440
So.

1532
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,299
We just get lots
of requests

1533
00:54:47,299 --> 00:54:49,505
all the time though. Yeah.

1534
00:54:49,505 --> 00:54:52,594
You guys are
with the yeah.

1535
00:54:52,594 --> 00:54:57,755
It is It is kind of I
think too, you know,

1536
00:54:57,755 --> 00:55:01,025
one of the things we
realized when we,

1537
00:55:01,025 --> 00:55:04,790
when we started doing
this on our own,

1538
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:07,640
y'know, is that
you don't need it.

1539
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,740
We didn't necessarily
have to wait for

1540
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,345
an institutional sort of

1541
00:55:14,345 --> 00:55:16,930
approval to go out

1542
00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:18,520
and and be in
that community.

1543
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,520
I think I was a big
sort of thing for us.

1544
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,560
And one thing that I want

1545
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,939
to share with other people

1546
00:55:24,939 --> 00:55:26,290
is that you don't

1547
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:28,540
necessarily have
to have all this,

1548
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:34,329
that this other help you.

1549
00:55:34,329 --> 00:55:38,950
You can just go out
and do this stuff.

1550
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:41,845
There's a really
broad value

1551
00:55:41,845 --> 00:55:43,539
to your knowledge

1552
00:55:43,539 --> 00:55:47,649
and what you do in
your own community.

1553
00:55:47,649 --> 00:55:49,734
So because of that,

1554
00:55:49,734 --> 00:55:51,610
we can end up all
over the place.

1555
00:55:51,610 --> 00:55:53,439
I said we've been

1556
00:55:53,439 --> 00:55:56,169
everywhere from
kindergarten to Congress,

1557
00:55:56,169 --> 00:56:00,830
so and now we will
meet anyone anyway.

1558
00:56:00,830 --> 00:56:02,989
We, we, we've
literally you set up

1559
00:56:02,989 --> 00:56:06,539
on a street corner
before we break.

1560
00:56:06,610 --> 00:56:08,659
For the March for Science,

1561
00:56:08,659 --> 00:56:11,780
as you've already
behind the paywall.

1562
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:12,860
All of a sudden
you're like,

1563
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:14,359
Wow, my exercise.

1564
00:56:14,359 --> 00:56:15,920
So he said was
that we actually

1565
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,269
currently have
an artist who

1566
00:56:17,269 --> 00:56:18,589
designed the brain cart.

1567
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:19,790
We can put the
brakes on a car?

1568
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:21,664
Yes. Free printed brains,

1569
00:56:21,664 --> 00:56:23,599
rather pipe cleaner
neurons hanging off

1570
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:24,409
the side and you

1571
00:56:24,409 --> 00:56:25,759
went out in the
streets of world.

1572
00:56:25,759 --> 00:56:27,440
We actually stopped. Yes.

1573
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,915
Absolutely. Yeah.
It's not a market.

1574
00:56:29,915 --> 00:56:32,630
And we had parents
with their kids.

1575
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:34,444
They're really
super excited.

1576
00:56:34,444 --> 00:56:36,919
We're going to have
forgotten here.

1577
00:56:36,919 --> 00:56:38,090
This is like I'm using a

1578
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:40,804
learn about
brains and about,

1579
00:56:40,804 --> 00:56:42,230
and get their
questions answered.

1580
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:44,044
So that's really cool.

1581
00:56:44,044 --> 00:56:45,764
That's awesome.

1582
00:56:45,764 --> 00:56:47,240
We should make sure you
should make sure you

1583
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,045
capture that from
kindergarten to Congress.

1584
00:56:50,045 --> 00:56:53,759
And Congress beginner and

1585
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:56,449
you want it in
the same setting.

1586
00:56:56,449 --> 00:56:58,009
I'm going to try this,

1587
00:56:58,009 --> 00:56:59,269
Alex, I'm just
curious in a minute,

1588
00:56:59,269 --> 00:57:00,769
we have left us a
little bit about

1589
00:57:00,769 --> 00:57:02,029
their origin story or

1590
00:57:02,029 --> 00:57:04,070
just the nature of
this relationship.

1591
00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:06,634
20 University in
middle school.

1592
00:57:06,634 --> 00:57:08,269
All of us see,

1593
00:57:08,269 --> 00:57:08,990
I'll just talk little bit

1594
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:10,384
about the IV partnership.

1595
00:57:10,384 --> 00:57:13,100
And we love working
with lots of people.

1596
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:14,900
And as I mentioned,
we have 20 schools

1597
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:16,249
involved in the
Ethics Bowl and

1598
00:57:16,249 --> 00:57:17,600
we're always
looking for more,

1599
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,279
but you don't need

1600
00:57:19,279 --> 00:57:21,949
the IB school really
welcomed PSU into

1601
00:57:21,949 --> 00:57:24,109
the classroom
and really gives

1602
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:26,404
a lot of the way
to experiment.

1603
00:57:26,404 --> 00:57:28,099
We've actually work
with everyone to read,

1604
00:57:28,099 --> 00:57:31,475
walk through to no
grade III and IV school

1605
00:57:31,475 --> 00:57:33,575
and a lot of different
file formats.

1606
00:57:33,575 --> 00:57:35,134
You over the last
eight years.

1607
00:57:35,134 --> 00:57:37,820
And I think in some cases,

1608
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:40,249
even your PSU
students outside of

1609
00:57:40,249 --> 00:57:41,480
the capstone had gone into

1610
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,469
the classroom
and work with

1611
00:57:42,469 --> 00:57:43,460
small groups of chimps.

1612
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:45,274
Are you going to work

1613
00:57:45,274 --> 00:57:46,819
one-on-one with students

1614
00:57:46,819 --> 00:57:48,529
interests in philosophy?

1615
00:57:48,529 --> 00:57:51,739
I think with all
of our partners,

1616
00:57:51,739 --> 00:57:54,845
their educators and
administrators,

1617
00:57:54,845 --> 00:57:57,020
who recognize
value of asking

1618
00:57:57,020 --> 00:58:00,430
philosophical questions
as early as possible.

1619
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:03,320
And you know, I think

1620
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,569
that's really where we

1621
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:08,344
see the opportunity
to collaborate.

1622
00:58:08,344 --> 00:58:09,754
And I don't know

1623
00:58:09,754 --> 00:58:12,390
Travis wants to
add anything.

1624
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,680
I well, I don't I
didn't I can't take

1625
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,775
any credit for

1626
00:58:16,775 --> 00:58:19,235
initially forming
the partnership.

1627
00:58:19,235 --> 00:58:21,049
And Alex, I don't remember

1628
00:58:21,049 --> 00:58:22,160
if you reached out to Amy,

1629
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,124
if she reached
out to you that

1630
00:58:24,124 --> 00:58:25,970
once I think kind of

1631
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:27,229
like Dr. Sagan was saying

1632
00:58:27,229 --> 00:58:30,244
once once that
collaboration was made,

1633
00:58:30,244 --> 00:58:32,890
we I know particularly

1634
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:34,150
in my program
and throughout

1635
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:35,739
the school just kind
of latched on to

1636
00:58:35,739 --> 00:58:38,140
it because it
was so engaging

1637
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:39,970
and so interesting and

1638
00:58:39,970 --> 00:58:43,699
something just to keep,
to keep going with.

1639
00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:47,830
Awesome. Thank you
both want to be

1640
00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:49,150
mindful of time
because an hour

1641
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:50,679
flyers and we've
already hit the mark.

1642
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:51,669
So with that, I want I

1643
00:58:51,669 --> 00:58:52,600
want to thank you all for

1644
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,730
participating in
today's At this moment,

1645
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:56,305
this is a great
session with them

1646
00:58:56,305 --> 00:58:58,750
without really a
lot to reflect on.

1647
00:58:58,750 --> 00:59:00,040
And I just want to
personally again,

1648
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,315
thank you all for

1649
00:59:01,315 --> 00:59:02,409
doing something I think

1650
00:59:02,409 --> 00:59:03,459
is so critically
important,

1651
00:59:03,459 --> 00:59:04,449
which is heading out into

1652
00:59:04,449 --> 00:59:05,800
the community and helping

1653
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,610
people visualize what's
possible in their,

1654
00:59:09,610 --> 00:59:12,085
in their life, in
the way they behave,

1655
00:59:12,085 --> 00:59:13,785
what's possible
in the future.

1656
00:59:13,785 --> 00:59:15,245
And I think that's
just such an

1657
00:59:15,245 --> 00:59:18,125
amazing gift that
you all give.

1658
00:59:18,125 --> 00:59:19,745
And you've been
given a long time.

1659
00:59:19,745 --> 00:59:20,869
And so I just
want to thank you

1660
00:59:20,869 --> 00:59:22,280
all personally
forgotten that.

1661
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,529
So with that, we wrap
up at this moment.

1662
00:59:24,529 --> 00:59:26,045
Thank you all for
participating.

1663
00:59:26,045 --> 00:59:27,499
For those in the audience.

1664
00:59:27,499 --> 00:59:29,660
Stay tuned and hope to
see you at the next,

1665
00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:31,324
at this moment,
coming up soon.

1666
00:59:31,324 --> 00:59:31,820
All right.

1667
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:34,770
See you all stay safe,
be well and good.